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I love to get in touch with 'uncredited' Prodigy samples (samples you won't find on every "sample list" from the fan-pages).
A few months ago when i listened to The Beginning Of The End's "Funky Nassau", i noticed Liam used a part of it in "No Good (Start The Dance)".
Stuff; where have you heard/read that Liam uses a Roland U-220?
Everywhere :-) I have some pictures of Liams rack with the U-220, i've read it in the book by Martin James, and you have to check out the awesome 'Equipment' section on Juges site (click: Musicians --> Equipment).
If you're looking for the 'natural' strings Liam used so much it's the U-220 you're looking for.
I have some other Roland modules with strings, and they sound lame compared to U-220. But remember no hard velocity, play pretty soft if you want to have this special "Jilted" vibe.. The U-220 also has internal Reverb and Chours, so you can add some nice stuff without an external FX-box.
I think it's definately worth to buy. And it's really cheap nowadays (due to it's age, it came out in 1989 :).
There is also a Roland-rackunit called U-110 which is quite similar to the U-220. So i don't think it's a disaster if you only are able to get a 110 (they may even be cheaper).
If you get the chance, play it before you buy it so you'll know what you get.
Maybe unnecessary information; but when i first got my U-220 the "G-Force" string sound was number 066 and 067, and the strings we're talking about! had number 068 and 069.
Welcome to this board Zion (but i assume you've dropped some posts here before? though not in this name, me being suspicious ;).
You're right about the U-220. But i got mine almost free, and the strings are really nice if you use them right (low velocity or it sounds shite), so what the heck..
And oh, thanks for the positive vibes about my tunes ;). You're right about their age, did them back in the 90's (some of them even before the Access Virus was released).
The bitrate on the songs sucks because you can't upload tunes more than 2 MB on that place. Though it's still better than nothing for me.
And i have hard to imagine a 7 minute song compressed to 2 mb mp3 - still with high-quality sound!
Looking forward to hear some of your tunes (with the 'magic' virus kb), it really seems like you know your stuff so they can't sound as bad as mine, huh?
I wonder if the strings in: No Good (Start The Dance), Break and Enter, We Are The Ruffest, The Heat (The Energy), Rhythm of Life (Original Mix), Religion (The Prodigy Trance U Down Mix) etc belongs to the U-220 too??
I think it's the same string sound in all these songs (and maybe in some more songs by the Prodigy). But the strings in these songs doens't sound exactly like the strings in "Everybody In The Place" & "Out Of Space", but could it be the U-220 anyway?
I'm glad to see he's still using some gear from "Jilted" - like the Mackie desk.
Haven't heard the AONO-album yet but this makes me even more curious about his new work than before.
And thanks Liam - for still understanding that some ingredients in electronic music can't be re-created in an software environment, without sounding lame.
It's all about the sound, and you don't get much of it OutOfA computer/soundcard only. Analogue mixing is the only way to go, no argue about that.
Wasn't any SE-70's on eBay at the moment either, so you'll may receive some sweet bids (hopefully).
Read in an interview that he used to spice his kicks with the Alesis Quadraverb at least in the Experience-era, so my personal solution about this issue is: He connected his 909 through the Quadra into an Akai, sampled a kick with the added reverb on a decent level and Lowpassed the whole thing in the Akai sampler. Or maybe he sequenced the kick from the 909 with hi-cutted bassy reverb on it.
Somewhere i think it sounds like a TR-909 kickdrum in original.. But he used his fingertip feelings with the reverb on it, because it can be pretty risky using reverbs on kicks, so you have to adjust the reverb settings so it doesn't cut out too much or just sound like shit in the mix.
Guess the kicks here has high Attack and Tune, maybe not too much Decay - on the 909-buttons, so that they sound pouncy (and not too bouncy) in the original signal. Then the reverb adds the dimension of a longer note and more drawn out in the deeper registers, to make it 'bounce in a new way'.
When Liam wrote 'Jilted' he had sold some of the equipment he used on 'Experience'. In example the Roland JD-800, and the 32 channel Tascam desk.
In one interview I've read from 1994, Liam list this: (so i guess it's mainly what he used on the album)
Roland W-30 (sequencing + alterlooped samples throughout the album)
Roland JD-990 (Intro, No Good, riffs in Poison, Voodoo People etc..)
ROland U-220 (mainly strings and pianos)
Roland SH-101 (like the blipps in B&E ..i think)
Roland Jupiter 6 (big fluffy analogue leads ; )
Roland Juno 106
Emu Vintage Keys
Emu Proteus World
Sequential Circuits Pro One
Novation Bass Station
Boss SE 70 Effects Unit X 2
Yamaha SPX 1000
Mackie 32-channel desk
Toa Studio Monitors
Technics SL 1200 Turntable
Sony DTC 1000 DAT
Peavey, bass guitar
...and probably some more stuff he was too lazy to mention, but this was probably the most important parts.
I know he was sequencing on two W-30's, loads of sampled breakbeats as usual on the Akai's and the W30s. And also big ass breaks from the 909 as you clearly can hear on "Their Law", and i think the 909 is used on about every track with various ingredients. This is the knowledge i can provide at the moment.
I think that the MC-505 has mostly common sounds, if you want that. But i prefer samplers for drums.
Personally I'm using a lot of drums in my songs, and a lot of different methods too. Sometimes I use the W-30 for drums (me? a Liam wannabe? nooo ;-). Say, if a loop sounds crisp, i sample it into the W-30 - thats my way to get a little bit of that ruff 12-bit sound :)
But most of the drums I use in a song is from the Akai sampler. Nowadays it's a S3000XL, I have used a S2000 before (still have it). They are very nice and quick to work with even though they have this tiny screen. I bought the S3000XL second hand and a Syquest EZ135 Zip-Drive followed, and i've noticed that Liam has one too.. hehe just a cool coincidence.
Create a program on the akai with a lot of cool and fresh drumhits organised. Then just play and jam over the keyboard, a good way to come up with some nice rhythms.
I also use s/w Fruity Loops for drums, mostly when i want some nice shuffle to my beats ('caus i think it's hard to quantize nice shuffle/triplets via midi, but thats just me..).
Well Ekko said that Liam uses the old E-mu SP-1200 for bassdrums on "Fat Of The Land".. so there you got it, just buy one ;) There's only one disadvantage with them, they aren't cheap at all.. Maybe an AKAI MPC-60/MPC-2000/MPC-3000 are the best choice (?), anyway they aren't as expensive as the Sp1200. Many great prducers are using these Akai's too. Like BT, DJ Shadow, Cari Lekebusch, Crystal Method, Chemical Brothers etc.
But you said you can't afford it, hmm so just.. wait and see what Ekko answers :)
But maybe you received some good diskettes along with the W30 to play around with. I only got some outdated standard Roland Sound Library disks with mine so i prefer to use my own samples.
I've always imagined that it looks like a stepsequencer in a tracker... because everything Liam has programmed on it seems so tight and "step by step". But that's just a thought.