Posted by Mane
- November 27, 2002, 03:27:21 PMi have been a prodigy fan for a long time...only for the music...but its getting out of hand. I really dont wanna listen about date raping drugs...or people who use them. If you cant have fun without then its fine by me. I dont know what the message is in this song...well i know that it tells about keiths girlfriends but that is...well tell me what the fuck is that about...
Posted by Ekko
- May 13, 2002, 08:55:18 PMQuoteIt used to destroy songs that weren't compressed to 0db already, but since the FOTL-era every Prodigy-song is totally maxed out already. They don't use limiter on Prodge-records anymore... Same for Chemical Brothers and most of the Pop tracks. All kinds of dance music.
Radio stations compress the dynamics of a song, so the loud bits are quieter and the quiet bits are louder. This kind of destroys the bass and the kick drum on this recording.
You just doesn't get much frequency-width over fm-radiochannels. It might have lots of generic reasons why the clip sounds not too dynamic.
QuoteMassive Beats...? Well, the beats are the same as on all other past-Jilted Generation-tracks, you especially mean the bass- and the kickdrums, do you? You can get this silly rattling drumloop on lots of sample-cd's or on the net
Firestarter worked because the fuckin massive beats and bass drove Keith along, not the otherway round
Posted by des
- May 13, 2002, 12:49:25 PMQuote
It was refreshing to have a band who didn't force opinions down your throat like all these fucking nu-metal and punk bands. What you end up with is a fanbase who all fucking think the same and act the same, which is boring. I wanna go to gigs and meet interesting people.
happened many times before.
Listen mate, any prodigy gig you go to, youll always meet true fans....fans that have a voice and arent just another painted face in the crowd.
So dont worry.....I hope liam kicks into gear soon and gives us something a bit more dancey..
peace.
Posted by ChemicaL
- May 13, 2002, 02:44:23 AMQuote
mmm...why do they have to censor rohepnol ... it's not like the word itself is a bad word is it? Probably the overall message that could be bad...
Rohypnol is a drug that is illegal in the U.S.A altough it has been used for medical purposes hence the censorship.
P.S. the track is wicked.
bye.
Posted by DJSlow
- May 13, 2002, 01:47:05 AMJust listened to clip. Infact I've listened to it about 20 times already, not because I like it but because I'm not sure what to make of it. Is it recorded from the radio? Radio stations compress the dynamics of a song, so the loud bits are quieter and the quiet bits are louder. This kind of destroys the bass and the kick drum on this recording. Does this song have chorus? The clip sounds like a verse and a bridge. Surely it would have been better to cut out the chorus for the clip?
Keith's vocals are brilliant. His best performance yet, though it seems weird hearing a Prodigy song where the focus is on the vocals and not the instruments. This is massive change. I can't really judge this song from the clip. OH SHIT, MY WINMX SEARCH HAS JUST COME OUT WITH A FULL MP3! It's really out there folks. 23 people in the que for it though :-(
Anyway, I think Liam has become a little slack in the production department. There aren't really any interesting sounds in there. He's relied too much on Keiths vox to drive the track. Firestarter worked because the fuckin massive beats and bass drove Keith along, not the otherway round. BGAT sounds like it's trying too hard. It also sounds over-produced, where shitloads of sounds and effects have been used to hide the fact that it's not a very intersting song. BT is another good example of over-producing. I can normally try hard to like something but I'm having trouble with this. It sounds like a poor immitation of the Fat of the Land with more vocals.
Another thing. I don't really like the idea of having so much vocals on a Prodigy album. Why? A Prodigy fan could be anyone no matter what they believed in. It was refreshing to have a band who didn't force opinions down your throat like all these fucking nu-metal and punk bands. What you end up with is a fanbase who all fucking think the same and act the same, which is boring. I wanna go to gigs and meet interesting people.
Anyways, I'm still gonna buy the album. Maybe it will grow on me. It's happened many times before.
Keith's vocals are brilliant. His best performance yet, though it seems weird hearing a Prodigy song where the focus is on the vocals and not the instruments. This is massive change. I can't really judge this song from the clip. OH SHIT, MY WINMX SEARCH HAS JUST COME OUT WITH A FULL MP3! It's really out there folks. 23 people in the que for it though :-(
Anyway, I think Liam has become a little slack in the production department. There aren't really any interesting sounds in there. He's relied too much on Keiths vox to drive the track. Firestarter worked because the fuckin massive beats and bass drove Keith along, not the otherway round. BGAT sounds like it's trying too hard. It also sounds over-produced, where shitloads of sounds and effects have been used to hide the fact that it's not a very intersting song. BT is another good example of over-producing. I can normally try hard to like something but I'm having trouble with this. It sounds like a poor immitation of the Fat of the Land with more vocals.
Another thing. I don't really like the idea of having so much vocals on a Prodigy album. Why? A Prodigy fan could be anyone no matter what they believed in. It was refreshing to have a band who didn't force opinions down your throat like all these fucking nu-metal and punk bands. What you end up with is a fanbase who all fucking think the same and act the same, which is boring. I wanna go to gigs and meet interesting people.
Anyways, I'm still gonna buy the album. Maybe it will grow on me. It's happened many times before.
Posted by miwant
- May 12, 2002, 01:52:06 PMi have been listening to the lyrics and i kinda like them a lot 
the only comment i got this far on this song is the firestarter sample in the beginning...like liam wants to say: hey it's still us, the prodigy!
the only comment i got this far on this song is the firestarter sample in the beginning...like liam wants to say: hey it's still us, the prodigy!
Posted by Zed
- May 12, 2002, 01:39:10 AMQuoteWell, then you better check out SakuS 192kbps unstreamed version instead :-)
Ekko, don't be so naive, i bet i got the track before you did
you wanted to know my opinion... okaaaay..... *burb*
let's do some anlysis of the track. (like you did, Ekko, btw how is your headache?
)okay, there is what i can say about that:
1. the man who did the track is a professional.
2. the man who did the track seems Liam Howlett, because there are everywhere his signatures, i.e. halftone sliding
Posted by Sport
- May 11, 2002, 10:41:44 PMI think the main problem is that the song is too much
based on the vocals and or on the lyrics.
(The track is built around the text)
In the earlier songs the lyrics were just a supplement to
the beats and not the main theme.
based on the vocals and or on the lyrics.
(The track is built around the text)
In the earlier songs the lyrics were just a supplement to
the beats and not the main theme.
Posted by kenzie
- May 11, 2002, 08:11:37 PMQuote
as soon as that get rid of the stupid edit
it will sound wicked
mmm...why do they have to censor rohepnol ... it's not like the word itself is a bad word is it? Probably the overall message that could be bad...
But i remember ST8ofBASS saying people will misundastand Keith..what do you think the lyrics mean...
please...somebody post the lyrics up i'm too lazy to write them down myself...
oh and ST8ofBASS...how close is Sakus version to the real thing\
??Posted by kenzie
- May 11, 2002, 08:05:23 PMi thinks Liam used Diesel Power beat to steer it away from sounding too rocky. Check BDO version of BGAT- it's sorta like the snares are recorded live - like those 80's rock shit.
Posted by Ekko
- May 11, 2002, 07:49:59 PMQuote
48 secs of 32 kbps real audio...
Posted by Zed
- May 11, 2002, 05:24:48 PM48 secs of 32 kbps real audio... i won't comment any music recorded in that way. at least that would be disrespect towards the author.
Posted by jamie riddler
- May 11, 2002, 04:46:04 PMexactly 
Posted by St8ofbass
- May 11, 2002, 02:53:45 PMyou all know i think its a frantastic track... to say that liam hasn't progressed is, i think, wrong. yes he still uses paht breaks - which have long been a trademark style, and yes the vocals are by flinty again, but the ambience, the structure, the way the bass works with the beats, the fazing, the sounds - everything else is different. i like the way so many ideas are thrown in that few noises are repeated. the hint at firestarter is a joke, i think there may be a guitar lift from no man army, and its a good signifier, but from the intro keyboard refraion to the closing 'wicky wicky' scratching, this is fresh - and easily the 'biggest' sounding track to date...
love it - shame the MP3 is sooo compressed and tinny.
laters
m
love it - shame the MP3 is sooo compressed and tinny.
laters
m
Posted by des
- May 11, 2002, 06:35:20 AMThis is a gem mate,
Im a graphic designer, once I come up with a signature style of graphic I scrap it....because I dont want to get caught in a loop, I try to progress and make *new* improved graphics each day
Im a graphic designer, once I come up with a signature style of graphic I scrap it....because I dont want to get caught in a loop, I try to progress and make *new* improved graphics each day
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you lots just don't know that a beat cannot be any harder or bigger than fotl ones. you are all talking nonsense. it is not like you can make a _totaly_ new beat. get real, don't expect too much. liam reused the samples many times, it is just now that you lots are complaining. des, why don't you do something _new_ huh?
Posted by Ekko
- May 11, 2002, 02:05:22 AMQuote
you lots just don't know that a beat cannot be any harder or bigger than fotl ones. you are all talking nonsense. it is not like you can make a _totaly_ new beat. get real, don't expect too much. liam reused the samples many times, it is just now that you lots are complaining. des, why don't you do something _new_ huh?
Posted by jamie riddler
- May 11, 2002, 01:22:53 AMyou lots just don't know that a beat cannot be any harder or bigger than fotl ones. you are all talking nonsense. it is not like you can make a _totaly_ new beat. get real, don't expect too much. liam reused the samples many times, it is just now that you lots are complaining. des, why don't you do something _new_ huh?
Posted by des
- May 10, 2002, 09:44:33 PMhehe well when I think of quality I think of the jilted era or climbatize, Naryan, funky shit, DP
I think the new stuff is a bit of a cop out to be honest.
I think the new stuff is a bit of a cop out to be honest.
Quote
(By saying quality, I think of NEW stuff, so...)
it seems we don't get any of both
Posted by deedevil
- May 10, 2002, 09:24:22 PMJuge do you have the complet song or only the 50 seconds clip?i was thinking that if you have the full song was kinda nice putting the 50 clip since if you putted the full track people would start ripping it and then XL would start pissing you!
thanks for the clip!
cya
peace
thanks for the clip!
cya
peace
Posted by des
- May 10, 2002, 08:20:49 PMQuote
The kickdrum/bass is in fact really close to Diesel Power.
Check it out, kill the high frequencies (every simple stereo should be good enough) and boost the bottom end and maybe a bit more gain for the mid's. You'll get the sound of SMBU and the rhythm of DP. Interesting. And - yeah - old.
And to some upper threads, yes, I would have liked some other beats as well, unfortunately it's the typical FOTL-bassdrum and all in all it's very familiar.
But the important bit is: We have new material.
yeh I noticed it had the same groove as DP.....but it still doesnt bowl me over like DP did... the beats are less chunky in BGAT than in dp, but the groove of DP is there to hear, I noticed it the second I heard it..
and your right its great that we have new material...but the question is after 5 years do we want quantity or quality
?Posted by des
- May 10, 2002, 08:12:15 PMQuote
If you wanna talk about shit beats we might as well mention Liams conribution to Maxim's Scheming, now they were shit. I have been using some very expensive equipment to EQ the radio version of BGAT to make it sound more like CD quality and i just wanna say that IT ROCKS!!! with the bass up and the hissing off this song is fucking wicked.
Don't judge till you hear a CD version, Trust me!
LOL yeah I couldnt believe liam put his hand to that shit..scheming was pretty poor
even though Im not feeling BGAT, im still looking forward to the instrumental
Posted by Ekko
- May 10, 2002, 07:57:08 PMQuote
I have been using some very expensive equipment to EQ the radio version of BGAT to make it sound more like CD quality and i just wanna say that IT ROCKS!!! with the bass up and the hissing off this song is fucking wicked.
Don't judge till you hear a CD version, Trust me!
What did I say?
People, believe us, this track has some hidden qualitys, the actual radio-thingie is like a teaser, if you want.
The kickdrum/bass is in fact really close to Diesel Power.
Check it out, kill the high frequencies (every simple stereo should be good enough) and boost the bottom end and maybe a bit more gain for the mid's. You'll get the sound of SMBU and the rhythm of DP. Interesting. And - yeah - old.
And to some upper threads, yes, I would have liked some other beats as well, unfortunately it's the typical FOTL-bassdrum and all in all it's very familiar.
But the important bit is: We have new material.
Posted by paulbi1
- May 10, 2002, 07:56:34 PMoh dear,
well at least the bass is better and sharper and keith sounds alot better but its not groundbreaking at all, i agree its not 'One Love' or 'Firestarter' in any sort of innovative way whatsoever ,but since all the dissing of the song started its actually overall better than i expected.
No consolation though
pauly b
P.S bet the video's shit-hot though!!!!
well at least the bass is better and sharper and keith sounds alot better but its not groundbreaking at all, i agree its not 'One Love' or 'Firestarter' in any sort of innovative way whatsoever ,but since all the dissing of the song started its actually overall better than i expected.
No consolation though
pauly b
P.S bet the video's shit-hot though!!!!
Posted by philchill_aiii
- May 10, 2002, 07:44:44 PMIf you wanna talk about shit beats we might as well mention Liams conribution to Maxim's Scheming, now they were shit. I have been using some very expensive equipment to EQ the radio version of BGAT to make it sound more like CD quality and i just wanna say that IT ROCKS!!! with the bass up and the hissing off this song is fucking wicked.
Don't judge till you hear a CD version, Trust me!
Don't judge till you hear a CD version, Trust me!
Posted by des
- May 10, 2002, 07:29:05 PMQuote
I also thought the live-version was cooler
Me too..the BDO version had potential....it was slow and a bit dull..but as I said to neko, surely with howletts talents he could have made something of that down temper version.
Posted by des
- May 10, 2002, 07:22:14 PMif you take for example other prodigy COMEBACK singles
for jilted One Love/No Good start to dance both really different exciting tracks...
For FOTL firstarter...awesome blew me away the first time I heard it..
Now BGAT....just doesnt offer anything new..keith voice is tiresome and the beats could be mistaken for trigger/one man army/ghost town etc....
Myabe ill like the instrumental more...but i really doubt that
for jilted One Love/No Good start to dance both really different exciting tracks...
For FOTL firstarter...awesome blew me away the first time I heard it..
Now BGAT....just doesnt offer anything new..keith voice is tiresome and the beats could be mistaken for trigger/one man army/ghost town etc....
Myabe ill like the instrumental more...but i really doubt that
Posted by deedevil
- May 10, 2002, 07:15:03 PM
quite polished has u said des!i was waiting for something diferent but whatever!cya
peace
Posted by des
- May 10, 2002, 06:54:21 PMok my problem with the track is, the beat howlett is using at the minute has been popping up for the past five years...theirs bearly anything between trigger and BGAT, they both use those polished beats...bring back the dirty ones that what I like
whilst I found the version they played at BDO a bit dull but with a lot of potential, I think howlett was afraid to release a downtempo track as the first single of AONO.....
I feel personally I owe howlett a great deal, after all the prodigy has shaped my whole record collection....but while howlett has pushed me towrds the more experimental side of dance music ie, aphex twin, squarepusher, dj shadow chemical brother...its seems like howlett is swaying of in a more pop/rock direction....the prodges sound isnt as challenging anymore to listen to....and that what always seperated them from the rest...
but that SEEMS to be gone now...not saying that it IS...but it looks that way judging from the new live stuff and BGAT
whilst I found the version they played at BDO a bit dull but with a lot of potential, I think howlett was afraid to release a downtempo track as the first single of AONO.....
I feel personally I owe howlett a great deal, after all the prodigy has shaped my whole record collection....but while howlett has pushed me towrds the more experimental side of dance music ie, aphex twin, squarepusher, dj shadow chemical brother...its seems like howlett is swaying of in a more pop/rock direction....the prodges sound isnt as challenging anymore to listen to....and that what always seperated them from the rest...
but that SEEMS to be gone now...not saying that it IS...but it looks that way judging from the new live stuff and BGAT
Posted by philchill_aiii
- May 10, 2002, 06:45:21 PMI
Posted by Ekko
- May 10, 2002, 06:33:37 PMI heard Juges excerpt and I really wonder what you all are on about? Sure it's not the complete track, but it's good.
I also thought the live-version was cooler, but the studio version has a very good bass-grounding, and sounds very full and rich. It's not typical Prodigy-mixing though. Strange.
Liam said he needed about a month to get the mix right, he maybe got caught in an ongoing uninspiration. Might happen when you mix songs you wrote yourself.
And I couldn't find any wildly used samples, most stuff are just synthies (which sometimes sound a bit unfitting or overloaded, but don't forget that they are mostly used to censor the rohypnol, so in a uncensored version it will be more straight).
Keith is ok, not good, but ok. At least, his voice isn't
distorted or anything, just a simple delay from time to time.
I promise, this track will do wonders when played in a club, the bass is perfect.
And don't judge too much from a radio version, they are mostly altered and also sent through some machines that push the sound forward and 'steal' the dynamics a bit, so it often sounds quite static.
I like it.
I also thought the live-version was cooler, but the studio version has a very good bass-grounding, and sounds very full and rich. It's not typical Prodigy-mixing though. Strange.
Liam said he needed about a month to get the mix right, he maybe got caught in an ongoing uninspiration. Might happen when you mix songs you wrote yourself.
And I couldn't find any wildly used samples, most stuff are just synthies (which sometimes sound a bit unfitting or overloaded, but don't forget that they are mostly used to censor the rohypnol, so in a uncensored version it will be more straight).
Keith is ok, not good, but ok. At least, his voice isn't
distorted or anything, just a simple delay from time to time.
I promise, this track will do wonders when played in a club, the bass is perfect.
And don't judge too much from a radio version, they are mostly altered and also sent through some machines that push the sound forward and 'steal' the dynamics a bit, so it often sounds quite static.
I like it.
