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Title: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Da kenzie on January 10, 2002, 01:36:32 PM
 :P
I'm looking for a low cost sampler with all-round features including a sequencer

OK
Give me suggestions i'll go up to $600 max- my currency (Rand) is very weak.

And what makes the Boss Sp-505 so much better than the SP-303 besides that it's made especially for people who sample other peoples work - which i don't do that much although i do it now and then.

PS why can't i stay logged in when i post a thread!!!!1

Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Arie on January 10, 2002, 03:57:38 PM
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PS why can't i stay logged in when i post a thread!!!!

Maybe you are using Internet Explorer 6 which has problems handling boards like these. Try a lower version like 5.5 SP2. You should post this to the Troubles thread.
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on January 10, 2002, 05:46:40 PM
Get a software sampler.

Cheaper, smaller, way more comfortable (Halion reads many formats), more flexible, easy to update, offers better editing-possibilitys and has more options to alter the sound.
Plus, you can drop some plugins behind the samplers out.
You get free software sequencers, which are actually mostly better than any build-in sequnencer of a sampler.

If you can't let go of a real sampler, I'd recommend the Groovebox. The MC 505 from Roland. It's nearly a small workstation.
You'll got a step-sequencer and a synthesizer and a drummachine in one piece. And you have an extreme funky toy on it, the D-Beam COntroller (silly name), which allows you to alter the sound by just waving your hand over the controller. It's all controlled by the wind you make over it. Looks great in live-shows, believe me... Or get drunk and hang out a night over that machine, I bet you've got amazing results the next morning.
You can also buy the MC 303, the baby-brother of the 505, it just lacks the D-Beam Controller (total pity) and some sampling-space if I remember correctly.

It's nearly the same with the SP-505 and 303 you talked about.
The Boss-machines are a bit more developed, the 505 for example has a bigger LCD-screen which allows you to actually see the envelopes you create. (Which you will never need, rely on your ear, man.)
But I find that the ROland machines sound a bit more grunty, if you want them to.

It's a question of taste, I can't help you with that. Borrow the machines for a weekend and chek them out yourself.

Greets,
Ekko
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: da kenzie on January 14, 2002, 02:43:33 PM
What about the Yamaha A3K, dat looks interesting...
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on January 14, 2002, 08:15:43 PM
Beware of that machine if you have a mac, you can't transfer a3k-files or waves from the mac to the yamaha. For now. Maybe there'll be a tool sometime, but since the machine is out on the market quite a good time by now, there's only a small chance.

But it's a great sampler anyway, the best is, that you can sync the LFO to the Midi-stream, which actually allows you extremely tight timed oscillations. Not too much instruments allow that.
The rest is the normal stuff, 4 Outs (I think... Or were it 6?), 64 Voices Polyphony, about 50 different FX, but it only comes with very less ram delivered, better stock up to at least 32mb (we have one with 128 at our school, that's okay. Too less anyway. Another pro for the software: No space-limitations. YOu can use all the vast space of your HD. But be aware that you'll need a small partitioned HD with fast access-times to stream long files at once and timed).

Haven't checked the EQ yet, but I guess it'll sound like every built in EQ, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: kenzie on January 17, 2002, 06:28:55 PM
OK
I checked out the fruity loops demo - thats quite cool, what other programs are there and where can I download the stuff.
It seems that I will use the software but I'm also in a live hip-hop crew/band thing and would like to use a sampler live.
My Sp-202 sounds allright but won't it be a mission to get my software samples on there? What reliable samplers are out there at a good price?
And what are some good programs for sequencing and FX.

PS: You have a sampler at your school - r u talkin' 'bout high school or like university/college?
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on January 17, 2002, 07:40:55 PM
It depends on what you feel is a reliable price.
The standard HipHop drummachine / sampler combination is the MPx2000 or nowadays 3000.

Okay, once again: Good programs for sequencing are
Cubase VST 24 / 4.0, Logic Audio and Ableton Live in the more professional area.
Then there is Sonic Foundry Acid, with which you can only arrange audio-files, there's no Midi-implementation,
Fruity Loops, which you already checked out, this is just a step sequencer with less Midi-implementation,
FastTracker, which is the best tracker out there (according to Zed  ;D) and a whole bunch of smaller programs that virtually copy the ones mentioned above.

For FX you really should get some PLugins.
PI warp and Northpole are free filter plugins that freak up the
sound very weird.
I don't start to tell you about all the others, you should check 'em out yourself. There is great stuff out there.

I'm on a private university for musicians and engineers,
we have loads of gear here (it's a dream, really... I often skip my free time to just hang out with the machines...)
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: kenzie on January 17, 2002, 08:04:04 PM
that must be pretty kewl...i mean your music school....so unfair
ok
I'm d0wnl0ading Fruity loops full version right now...morpheus is kewl
or is KaZAA better?
I don't think Cubase will work nicely on my computa
What is the smallest easiest running version?

Thanks for da help...
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: kenzie on January 17, 2002, 08:12:35 PM

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The standard HipHop drummachine / sampler combination is the MPx2000 or nowadays 3000.




Are you talkin' 'bout the Akai MPC-2000?
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on January 17, 2002, 10:53:38 PM

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Are you talkin' 'bout the Akai MPC-2000?


Yeah, since there is a MPC and a MPS, I just placed a small x there. The latest machine is the MPC3000, haven't used it yet, but the MPC2000 is the best for live-shows. YOu have big buttons and a clearly arranged (but a little small) screen, that always shows you only the most important values.
The MPS is like the smaller brother of it and isn't made fabricated any more because most people decided to get the 'real' one, the MPC...
I'd do so as well, btw.

It is very cool if you are interested in music and the technical side of it, but it also is very expensive (since it's a private university) and I don't have much for a living right now.
Because of this, I had to take some side-jobs and this again makes me so pretty flabby, cause it's mostly nightwork *yaaaaawn*
Anyway, I like it this way.
Greets,
Ekko
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: kenzie on January 19, 2002, 04:18:35 PM
I checked the Akai MPC's out on the net and came across the new MPC 4000 ( :o my fuckin word) it looks like a monster of a thing...er thing yes.

Check it out at http://www.mpc2000.cjb.net/ go to there forum (it's shitty compared to this one) and tell your school to get one - if it's out yet i'm not sure...
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on January 19, 2002, 10:16:32 PM
Wow, I didn't know that!

If it's really out already, we have a nice chance to get one soon...

I thought of saving money for the MPC3000. I overthink my plans now.

Cheers,
EKko
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: KENZIE (using IE 6.0) on January 20, 2002, 04:01:01 PM
YEP, i think it maybe out...It's at there web page - so they're advertising it all ready...akaipro.com i thinks

Lucky frekin' skool man jeez...
Oh I made like this Drum+Bass track with fruity loops  - where can i uploadz it for free???
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on January 20, 2002, 04:32:39 PM
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Oh I made like this Drum+Bass track with fruity loops
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: kenzie on January 29, 2002, 06:33:51 PM
skru dat , the track was b0ll0cks anyway - as soon as i listened to the track over speakers(not earphones) i realised it's crap - anyway... :P
:-[ :-[ :-[
to my horror i've dicovered AKAI do not sell musical products in south africa anymorez....noooooooooooooooo! >:(

No i thinks i wanna buy a sampler and then a ELECtribe mmm...
buuuut....w0t t0 buuuuuy??????
PLZ tell me wot is a good sampler for a cheap price - there is like no second hand market here - i wish i was there - --mmm...ummmm...he he he ok gimme ideas and it's gotta be really cheap...is the SP-303 any good?
they offered me that as there special cheap bargain sampler...
any suggestions???
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on January 30, 2002, 05:52:28 PM
I don't understand it, I wrote a reply yesterday, but it didn't show up here. Well, at first it did, but it's gone now.
Nevermind.

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skru dat , the track was b0ll0cks anyway - as soon as i listened to the track over speakers(not earphones) i realised it's crap - anyway...


A wise man once told me:
Those, who are mixing with headphones, shall immediately end their lifes.

You'll never see a recording engineer using headphones for mixing.

If you wanna take it on a more professionel level, I'd say, get yourself a pair of Yamaha NS10's.
The worst speakers ever.
Why buy then?
Because they're the best monitors you can get.
YOu'll hear every small error in your mix.
They do not sound good, but that's not what you want, at a mixdown.
Or else, get some Genelecs.

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to my horror i've dicovered AKAI do not sell musical products in south africa anymorez....noooooooooooooooo!
No i thinks i wanna buy a sampler and then a ELECtribe mmm...
buuuut....w0t t0 buuuuuy??????
PLZ tell me wot is a good sampler for a cheap price - there is like no second hand market here - i wish i was there - --mmm...ummmm...he he he ok gimme ideas and it's gotta be really cheap...is the SP-303 any good?
they offered me that as there special cheap bargain sampler...
any suggestions???


Then use eBay, or look at a local musicstore if someone is gonna sell his/her stuff.
Or look at the web for used gear.
They are not hard to find, really.

Well, I can't say what sampler you should buy, because I don't know what type of music you wanna do, I don't know if you wanna use it mainly life or in the studio, I don't know what kind of sounds and technical specifications you expect the sampler to have a.s.o.

Let's do it this way, you tell me what you wanna do with it and what it should be doing in your setup and I'll look what I can find for you.

Greets
Ekko
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: kenzie on February 05, 2002, 05:52:09 PM
isn't it risky to buy over E BAY?
i mean i comes from south africa and erm...i've never seen sumthin' off EBAY from south africa...will  it be safe to say order from AMERICA all the way to S A?
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on February 07, 2002, 09:01:48 PM

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isn't it risky to buy over E BAY?
i mean i comes from south africa and erm...i've never seen sumthin' off EBAY from south africa...will
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: ULTRA on July 17, 2002, 11:42:37 AM
Go get an Akai S-950.
Very cheap and powerful.
12 BIT/10 OUTPUTS/TIMESTRECHING

See you.....
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on July 18, 2002, 01:03:20 AM

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Go get an Akai S-950.
Very cheap and powerful.
12 BIT/10 OUTPUTS/TIMESTRECHING

See you.....


Yeah, DJ Friction uses one, very alternative.
I was offered a S750 a few month ago, for very few bucks, but this is a sampler no one's gonna love.
It really is too shitty...
The 950 is on the edge, if you ask me.
You get a S1100 for a few bucks more and you have all the cool fx built in.
I saw some at eBay for a total low-price, looks like everyone is jumping on that software train now.
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: ULTRA on July 18, 2002, 09:52:41 AM
I Agree with you Ekko but the effects on the S1100 are really crap. If you want your breaks dirty and filtered then 12bit samplers are the best.Personally I hate anything that has to do with software. I mean you can learn how a sound is born etc.

Digital sound is bad for your health

Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on July 18, 2002, 07:36:05 PM
Heh, right, it totally is...
There are a few exceptions yet, like taking the variety of a digi-synth (soft / hard, doesn't matter) and plug it before some good analog fx, the result is totally fair.
Liam did it a few times, I think, it's no betrayal if you're a hardware veteran...

The only thing really pee-ing me off about software is the look & feel of it. I know people being able to be creative with software, which is what I admire, because I can't work without touching the gear. Sure, you can buy midi-controller for that, but that's not what I meant. I like the look of the stuff in a real studio. It's more expensive - sure, it's harder to care for - yes, it breaks more easily - absolutely
and it takes up more power and space - right.
But if you feel bad using it and/or it doesn't inspire you, what are you gonna do with it?

Plus, computers freak me out, they never work in my favour, they make me shout at them and they ruin my day.
Gimme one more bluescreen and I'll throw stones at old women.

As for the samplers, I think the Akai fx are very nice, it might be just me, gotten so used to them (plus, hearing all the Prodigy stuff makes you even WANT the Akai-sound to be reproduced...), and they're totally capable of being Lo-Fi as hell.
But if you want unique filters and fx, go for the old Ensonic samplers. Very good sound but yet very special and exclusive.

Do you mean the W-30 by saying 12 bit...? ;-)
I checked it, it's okay, but you can do that with better samplers and a bit reducer or bad modifiers as well.
The W-30 is on a low course at eBay right now, so for all of you wanting to follow Liams footsteps... go get one.
But don't expect much, it's very simple (and therefore adorable as {*%@#
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: ULTRA on July 19, 2002, 09:54:04 AM

Well Ekko from what I read I understand that you know lots of things concerning midi/synthesis/sampling etc.And as you said I am a hardware veteran. By the way I will never forgive myself selling my TR-909 & SH-101 to a guy that came from UK.
Maybe we must start a new topic:
Analog vs Digital

See you....
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on July 20, 2002, 12:22:23 PM
Oh no, dude, I hope he at least gave you a huge diamond for that...
The SH-101 is hot. Have you had it modified or in it's original shape?
I plan on buying a Moog Rogue soon (my favourite analog synthie), still saving up.
Have you seen Liams studio on the new website?
Very interesting, but he's hiding some gear. He must have a room full with stuff he's not using at the moment, or - he sold
everything. I dont think so, though.

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Maybe we must start a new topic:
Analog vs Digital


Oh we so must!
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: ULTRA on July 20, 2002, 06:05:48 PM
No modifications on the SH-101.I used to turn the Resonance filter all the way up and the Cutoff all the way down. Doing this this I had a dirty sub bass drum.As for the TR-909, words have no meaning. I have 2 years now a Novation Drumstation.
No bad at all if you do some external editing but not as fat as the TR monster. The Moog is excellent but you need an engineer all the time keeping it hot (you know what I mean)
By the way what is your Favorite Prodigy track?
Choose only 1.

By the way where is the new Prodigy site?
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Zed on July 21, 2002, 09:21:41 PM
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I plan on buying a Moog Rogue soon (my favourite analog synthie), still saving up.

i got Ritm 2 (trans. as Rhythm) a couple of days ago, the sound is very similar to Moog. i just finished to repair the synth (it's 20 years old stuff), so, now it works and looks like new one, i'm really happy actually, the sounds is really awesome, really great. i'll attach distortion effect processor tomorrow i think, heh, i hope i'll get a really raw sound. i can upload a couple of examples, but anyway you can check that stuff here
http://www.ruskeys.net/eng/base/ritm2.php

btw, it seems there is a little mistake, there says the synth created in 1984, but my one is manufactured in 1982...
Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Ekko on July 22, 2002, 05:12:11 PM

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btw, it seems there is a little mistake, there says the synth
created in 1984, but my one is manufactured in 1982...


Then you have a promo-synth, eh? ;-) Harr Harr!

Sounds good, I'm looking fwd (trans. as forward) to the examples.
Is that thingie Midified? Or are you gonna play it live?
I bought my Rogue two days ago, it should ship soon, the only thing it lacks, is Midi-implementation, but that's not a big problem, I just have to record an extra-track for it all the time (gets my lazyness in the way).

I also plan on rebuilding the Rogue totally, I'm gonna replace the mod and pitch-wheels with transparent wheels and put some blacklight dots onto it somewhere. Mostly optical changes. I thought of changing the power supply as well, did that with a BassStation kb, it so absolutely smacked me into the corner the first time I heard it. Like a 303 without this nasal sound and more squelching power. You should try that out, give it about 0.3V more, but beware, old synthis aren't renown for their stamina. And never do it with a digital synth...

My favourite Prodigytrack?
Don't know, changes about every day.
I'm hearing the Experience a lot by now, you know, summertime-feelings and so on...

But I think it's Break & Enter.

Title: Re: SAMPLERS????
Post by: Zed on July 22, 2002, 10:36:32 PM
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Then you have a promo-synth, eh? ;-) Harr Harr!

lol... well... there were no any words like "promo" in USSR before 1995-1998. so, i think it just made in 1982 and so...
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Sounds good

yeh, the synth rocks, Liam wanted to buy/exchange that synth when the Prodigy were doing gig in St. Peterburg. there were russian band Spirals at warm up and Liam liked the synth and he asked the band if he could get it, but it wasn't Spirals synth, they took it for a gig, because it's pretty rare synth, and Liam didn't get it...