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General discussion => New material => Topic started by: des on April 16, 2002, 08:29:12 PM

Title: BLIND HOPE
Post by: des on April 16, 2002, 08:29:12 PM
OK its seems most people in this forum seem fairly happy with the prodigy material (nuclear,trigger and BGAT) me personally I think Howlett is wasting away in the prodigy...surely he can do so much better than this

Ok so BGAT studio version will differ from the live version....but I bet their wont be a major difference....if it does get a release it will no doubt be the worst prodigy single ever....im praying liam pulls the plug on it....its just soooooooo weak, give me 'the trick' any day

most of the new BLOW IN fans will love this shit....along with the pissy little goths and jok rockers of this world...

all of a sudden the prodigy are appealing to linkin park fans and shit like that....this is a focking insult..to me and most of the prodigy hardcore who was into the band from experience right up until FOTL

im soooo disappointed with them...its seems like the intelligence has been taken away from the prodigys music...we used to get stomping beats and melodic synths....no we get the dead horse howlett offered us in 97...please

fockin hell....Id rather have them spend another 5 years in the studio if it means Nuclear,Trigger and BGAT get put on the chopping block.......

An incredibly bad ending to what was once an incredible band.
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: miwant on April 16, 2002, 09:55:20 PM
As I have said before I won't give a final opinion on the new tracks until I've heared a finished studio recording of them(to Liam Howlett: ASAP PLZ!!!)

To be honest I think that the live recording of BGAT is that poor that I don't even hear that ass-kicking prodigy spirit in that song and according to St8ofBass it IS an ass-kicking agressive song!

I've heard nuclear & trigger live myself but I wouldn't have been able to comment those songs only by hearing the live recordings:

HAVE SOME F**CKING PATIENCE (a few months extra won't hurt you after 5 years)

Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Ekko on April 16, 2002, 10:04:52 PM
I understand that you obviosly don't like the new material,
but you wrote such a spiteful posting...

Why are you so surprised?
If you look at the Prodigy's discography, what do you see?
Rave, Tekkno, Punk. Something like this just HAD to come.

And as for 'he can do so much better than
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: mouzzer on April 16, 2002, 11:33:58 PM
A few minutes ago they showed a live show of Linkin Park on TMF (dutch music channel) the dj had a Prodigy Experience T-shirt :)


I hope the finall bgot will be better than the live version. The live version lacks a certain prodigy vibe.
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: St8ofbass on April 17, 2002, 12:55:39 PM
there are two bandwagons at work whenever a band gets successful, or changes their sound
1/ those who suddenly jump on the repect bandwagon and become huge fans
2/ those who suddenly jump on the diss bandwagon because they're the original fans.
both are normal behaviour. it is sad however that the latter people want the prodigy to be stuck in the rave era. as someone who really was involved in the UK rave scene from day one i have to say the past belongs in the past. similarly prodigy's old stuff comes from a different time, with a very different atmosphere and perspective. I respect liam for not coming out with FOTL 2 immediately. he's stuck to his guns and only announced a release when he's happy with the stuff he's been recording.
but to judge it before you've heard it suggests a certain amount of myopia on your part. you are stuck in the past, closed to the future before you've even experienced it. maybe you should curl up with an oasis record... they never change, and release albums pretty regularly.
blind faith perhaps, but in your case it'd be blind, deaf, dumb and faithless.
bye
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Arie on April 17, 2002, 01:39:16 PM
No matter how much I liked The Fat Of The Land, I wouldn't want the new album just to be a Part Two, a sequal. I would like them to keep on advancing and not staying stuck at something. From what I've heard live, they've kept quite some aspects of The Fat Of The Land. I always say that you cannot judge them by only hearing their live material, so I'm waiting for something to be released to make up my mind. I like all the new tracks, but I don't know in how far they offer something new. Lets all wait and see. To already say that the new style of music doesn't do the trick is too early. I prefer to wait for something more final. No matter what, I like the new tracks and I'm curious about the new single and the coming album.
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: des on April 17, 2002, 03:49:15 PM
Disgusting.

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A few minutes ago they showed a live show of Linkin Park on TMF (dutch music channel) the dj had a Prodigy Experience T-shirt :)
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: des on April 17, 2002, 04:07:49 PM

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there are two bandwagons at work whenever a band gets successful, or changes their sound
1/ those who suddenly jump on the repect bandwagon and become huge fans
2/ those who suddenly jump on the diss bandwagon because they're the original fans.
both are normal behaviour. it is sad however that the latter people want the prodigy to be stuck in the rave era. as someone who really was involved in the UK rave scene from day one i have to say the past belongs in the past. similarly prodigy's old stuff comes from a different time, with a very different atmosphere and perspective. I respect liam for not coming out with FOTL 2 immediately. he's stuck to his guns and only announced a release when he's happy with the stuff he's been recording.
but to judge it before you've heard it suggests a certain amount of myopia on your part. you are stuck in the past, closed to the future before you've even experienced it. maybe you should curl up with an oasis record... they never change, and release albums pretty regularly.
blind faith perhaps, but in your case it'd be blind, deaf, dumb and faithless.
bye
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: thomas on April 17, 2002, 04:36:57 PM
st8ofbass, don't be so harsh man. It's normal that the group gets criticism from the fans after a period of nearly 5 years without a release.
We don't want the prodigy to be stucked in the rave scene but we also don't want them to be stucked in the fat of the land scene.
And from what we've heard, ( I know they are only raw live recordings but you can get an image from it) it appears that they don't really stay away from that album.
It never doubted about the genius qualities of Liam Howlett as a producer and I can understand how hard it is to be innovative nowadays. But I still trust the man and I still dream to sit in my room with a good joint while I'm listening for the first time to the new album, realizing that they can still produce a mindstabbing masterclass album.
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: miwant on April 17, 2002, 05:04:45 PM
can i come over when you're starting that joint??
just gimme a shout and i'll be at your door in 5 minutes :p
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: des on April 17, 2002, 05:12:26 PM
Hey man youv really missed the point on this one....ok so liam didnt release FOTL2 immediately....but it looks like were about to get a FOTL2 five years later. Catch my drift...their sound hasnt changed.....the prodigy have always been about intelligent music for me...So from your original post your saying anyone who diss's the band now wants them to be stuck in the RAVE era...Taxi for st8ofbase please....dont be a fool...erm jilted wasn
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: thomas on April 17, 2002, 06:14:54 PM
we have a deal miwant, when the next album comes out we smoke a joint and listen to it at a nice volume.
Even when the single comes out we do the same. I don't wanna listen to mp3's when the single comes out.
Hope the single will be there before beach rock
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: St8ofbass on April 17, 2002, 06:55:43 PM
sorry des, it seems i did misunderstand you, better call me a taxi now
what you meant was that the wrong kind of people are into the prodigy since the success of fotl and that liam should change his sound so the those people will go away and the fans from 'time' can get the band back for themselves.

doubt liam gives a fuck about sucking up to new or old fans, or even record companies. he's got respect... but in the end he does what he wants. which is one of the things that made prodigy great from day one. and why he dodn't deliver a fotl2 three years ago

but i see your point about sharing the ride with maz manson fans... you have to draw a line. maybe they could just hide at the back and share make up tips  ;D

how about a spliff?
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Faust on April 18, 2002, 01:29:07 AM

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...to judge it before you've heard it suggests a certain amount of myopia on your part.


Myopia is short-sightedness. To judge something before it's happened is surely the opposite.

;)     <-- asshole
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Faust on April 18, 2002, 01:33:05 AM

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...a mindstabbing masterclass album.


^ this phrase I like. ^
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Faust on April 18, 2002, 01:34:39 AM
Faust Pointless Post alert: number 3
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: St8ofbass on April 18, 2002, 01:28:28 PM
 :) myopia is indeed short sightedness - here i used it to imply a narrowed field of vision. self imposed at that. not the literal use of the word and... yeah, you'd be right!
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: paulbi1 on April 18, 2002, 03:36:15 PM
RIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN LISTEN UP!!!!!

If me, Arie and Juge have posted this once then weve posted this a thousand times...........
STOP JUDGING UNTIL YOU FEEL THAT BEAT, BASS AND ENERGY ON YOUR SYSTEM FOR REAL, NOT SHITTY MP3, THEN AND ONLY THEN DO YOU BECOME A PRODIGY EXPERT!!!!

I still remember my first gig, now remember yours, then tell me that say, that energy from 93,94 isnt their in 2002.
LIVE is what the Prodigy are all about, the records are simply a bonus or the "done thing".
I am not going to stop liking Prodigy because of a crappy recorded mp3, no the records are a representation of the live shows and you only feel that on a proper recording.

I aint heard any studio tracks of AONO yet, nor have 99% of you. so until then SHUT THE FUCK UP, and earn your right to an opinion on them.

Strong, but to the point

I'll be seeing yer.

Pauly b

oh and by the way.........keep smiling.  
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Ekko on April 18, 2002, 06:19:44 PM

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Myopia is short-sightedness. To judge something before it's happened is surely the opposite.

;)
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Ekko on April 18, 2002, 06:21:49 PM
Oh sorry, didn't see someone replied to that already...
Bunch of linguistic pedants here... :-)
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: des on April 18, 2002, 10:01:06 PM
this is a pile of horseshit A PRODIGY EXPERT, lmao, thats funny man...


Ok first time i seen them NYE 94, it was off the hook, one of their most famouse sets, its started the trend in prodigy bootleging....but what I witnessed ON NYE 95 was something special, something really went off that night..blistering set, 3 new tracks firestarter,breathe and molotov bitch along with benny blanco as the fill...

so if your asking me if the vibe is still their...my answer would have to be a no, with leeroy gone and keith singing over 90% of the tracks in the set now, its become a real stalemate...ive been to the live sets mate 2001, pukkelpop and lowlands, not great at all...pukkelpop was a good day out, but from talking to people at the festival...even they thought the same

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RIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN LISTEN UP!!!!!

If me, Arie and Juge have posted this once then weve posted this a thousand times...........
STOP JUDGING UNTIL YOU FEEL THAT BEAT, BASS AND ENERGY ON YOUR SYSTEM FOR REAL, NOT SHITTY MP3, THEN AND ONLY THEN DO YOU BECOME A PRODIGY EXPERT!!!!

I still remember my first gig, now remember yours, then tell me that say, that energy from 93,94 isnt their in 2002.
LIVE is what the Prodigy are all about, the records are simply a bonus or the "done thing".
I am not going to stop liking Prodigy because of a crappy recorded mp3, no the records are a representation of the live shows and you only feel that on a proper recording.

I aint heard any studio tracks of AONO yet, nor have 99% of you. so until then SHUT THE FUCK UP, and earn your right to an opinion on them.

Strong, but to the point

I'll be seeing yer.

Pauly b

oh and by the way.........keep smiling.
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: Faust on April 18, 2002, 11:34:06 PM
yeah paulie, climb out of your ass, take a look around, realise you dont know everything... and let people have their own opinions.
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: des on April 19, 2002, 05:20:54 PM
theirs a certian amount of irony in this statment now,  hmmm liam howlett collaberating with liam gallagher...
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maybe you should curl up with an oasis record... they never change
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: kenzie on April 19, 2002, 07:34:18 PM
woah...i've been away for 4 days and check this shit out :o

i think these songs we are hearing now are the attention pullers...
i mean look at this...you people are already going crazy and i know everyone of you are going to buy the prodigy album so it seems liam hasn't scared off the fans just yet

these tracks are not as as big as Firestarter/Breathe yet but maybe when the singles come.
No-one of us (normal) fans have heard the 'fillers' on the album. And as i stated before it is these tracks that'll make the album!!

I mean check Mindfiels, Climbatize etc. on FOTL
i have full faith in Liam that when the album hits the main part of the album will consist of ANTI-Linkin_park/MEANT-FOR_PRODIGY_Fans stuff if you know what i'm saying

but hopefully the fully rave-type shit isn't lost now that Leeroy is gone...remember he did say Prodigy has moved beyond being pure DANCE music.

And Marilyn Manson, Linkin Park isn't my scene either.
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: fj on April 20, 2002, 02:30:27 AM
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but hopefully the fully rave-type shit isn't lost now that Leeroy is gone...remember he did say Prodigy has moved beyond being pure DANCE music.


That is a very good point
Title: Re: BLIND HOPE
Post by: what_evil_lurks on May 04, 2002, 03:47:25 PM
there 's no agreement over here!!!  :P :P :P

the past might be better sometimes st8 of bass, also somone said that we want to be prodigy experts.... what a shit, I just wanna hear some good music man.

the new tunes we all know that are tfol 2 five years later, it seems that liam has become a popstar in the linkin park style.

call me old fashioned, but I'will always love the great era91-97.