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Title: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 02:17:51 PM
http://www.nekozine.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=live;action=display;num=1026650218

so embarrasing neko.

Who are you trying to kid. you post a link to the witness site trying to convince the 'FANS' that the prodigy where actually good, lmao what do you think the witnness website is going to say huh?

how about you get off yur swiss and look in the witnness forum look at the views of the people who went...the prodigy werent impressive..people found them boring.

Your knee deep in Egyptian water...denial

Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ..steady.. on July 16, 2002, 02:37:05 PM
Hey dessie fist of all drop the attitude !

Neko goes to great lenths to give us all good Prodigy news and reviews , think of this mabey she reviews the gigs as "a fan" and not some dick from nme or something.
Neko has seen the prodigy more times then i have had hot dinners mate so if she say`s it was a good gig i belive her !!!!

...........steady.................
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 02:45:01 PM

their was chants from the crowd 'your a fucking disgrace' also 'your shite' and so on

well ive seen the prodge near 10 times now...I know whats going down.


http://www.witnness.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=544

this is just one of a few comments about the prodgiy in thw witness forum......

Ive talked to many many people about the prodigy at witnness festival.....they werent up to much.


Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 02:51:10 PM
May I ask you a serious question? do you think its right to support the prodigy throwing it away like this?

I myself used to go to great lenghts to see the band....but im dumbfounded at the set of late...their sets are going down the tubes....but yet the fans shouldnt speak out because neko gives them a good review?

Thats crazy man.


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Hey dessie fist of all drop the attitude !

Neko goes to great lenths to give us all good Prodigy news and reviews , think of this mabey she reviews the gigs as "a fan" and not some dick from nme or something.
Neko has seen the prodigy more times then i have had hot dinners mate so if she say`s it was a good gig i belive her !!!!

...........steady.................
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 04:11:10 PM

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http://www.witnness.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=544



for anyone who doubt's my judgment on the band

http://www.witnness.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=583

heres another....
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Acid_Twin on July 16, 2002, 04:50:11 PM
Dess your boring me now, if you've gone off the prodigy, simply piss off.  We dont need to throw a downer at everything.

Go find some other group to trash.

-acid
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: thomas on July 16, 2002, 04:58:44 PM
hey man, let Des have his own meaning about the prodge. What's a group without critics? Do you want that everything that is said on this forum about prodge is positive? I can understand Des. Beachrock was shit and seems that Witnness wasn't much better. Did you saw the gigs?
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Fakiri on July 16, 2002, 05:11:49 PM
sorry guys...

i
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: mouzzer (logged out) on July 16, 2002, 05:13:43 PM
Their are also positive reviews about the prodigy on the witnness forum.

Same with Beach Rock, I liked it and all my friends liked it. Some people thought it was shit. I had a great time during the gig at Beach Rock (like des also said, felt like a kid again during a few tracks :) But I agree that they need to change the live show, other tracks, more dance tracks etc. More Jams and more spontanious things on stage.

They are building up for reading/ leeds but they should have done that in smaller clubs. I wonder what they are building up to with the same setlist over and over again.

Btw did anyone record the Witnness show (Dust Yoself)?
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Acid_Twin on July 16, 2002, 05:17:22 PM
It's not that.... its more the fact that his bitching everywhere i go on this forum right now lol!

I can understand, the set is pretty stale right now.

I can also understand you not likeing the direction they appear to be going, but say nothing until you hear the album/single(s)

How many times have live fills/tracks changed and turned into fantastic tracks?

-nt-

:)
p.s. if Liam appears to be contradicting himself, dont blame him, blame the drugs that cause him to forget what he has said :P

-acid
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 05:21:53 PM

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Btw did anyone record the Witnness show (Dust Yoself)?


hey man I was recording it...but my bats rans out in the mini disc...but I was on such a downer half way through the set I didnt bother to power up again...I even stopped taking photos.
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 05:28:31 PM
THIS IS NOT BITCHING

all I want to see is some honesty in peoples reviews...Neko represents a window to the prodigy live shows for people who cant make it to the gigs or just cant afford to go

Now how would you feel after reading all about this great live show then when they play in your hometown...they sink faster than the titanic?

Youd be gutted obviously...honesty is the way to go...not biosty....Id dont like trigger! but I was honest enough to say it worked on saturday.....


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It's not that.... its more the fact that his bitching everywhere i go on this forum right now lol!

I can understand, the set is pretty stale right now.

I can also understand you not likeing the direction they appear to be going, but say nothing until you hear the album/single(s)

How many times have live fills/tracks changed and turned into fantastic tracks?

-nt-

:)
p.s. if Liam appears to be contradicting himself, dont blame him, blame the drugs that cause him to forget what he has said :P

-acid
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 05:32:31 PM
cheers man...its seems like some people really dont like seeing or hearing whats staring them in the face...

but pukkelpop wasnt too bad to be honest, I watched them at lowland which was a disaster...but hearing charly at pukkelpop sort of made up for things

Still a part of my love affair with the prodigy was killed last summer when I heard the new stuff.

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sorry guys...

i
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 05:46:26 PM

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Did you saw the gigs?


Well as you know I was at witnness, but my mate flew over for the beachrock festival...he was dissopointed to say the least and he wasnt impressed with witnness either...

but theirs always the bright side at least liam didnt forget to play dust yoself, lol
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: neko on July 16, 2002, 05:48:39 PM

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THIS IS NOT BITCHING

all I want to see is some honesty in peoples reviews...Neko represents a window to the prodigy live shows for people who cant make it to the gigs or just cant afford to go

Now how would you feel after reading all about this great live show then when they play in your hometown...they sink faster than the titanic?




i write a report about the show expressing what i personally thought about the gig. Everyone else who has a different opinion is very welcome to send me their review or their point of view and I'll post it online.

I am generally having a good time when I see The Prodigy, otherwise why would I have taken 4 weeks off and travelled to Australia to see them? Of course some shows are better than others, but thats normal. there is other people who liked the shows as well, you know.

If YOU don't like it, fine. But that is no reason for you to have a go at me EVERYWHERE. Express your opinion as much as you want, but going around and dissing people for having a different opinion is pretty shite.
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Arie on July 16, 2002, 06:27:01 PM
Opinions are always personal. I've said thus far and I'm still saying that I liked Seat Beach Rock. There are people who don't agree with me, but this is simply my opinion. You can't argue about opinions, you can only state why you like something or why you don't like something. You can give good arguements to support your opinion, but in the end, opinions will still be personal. To everyone, not just Des, don't attack people because they have a different opinion than you. Respect is what it's all about.
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 06:28:37 PM
thing is does it not make you wonder, when you see so many people saying the shows where shite but yet their great by your view ???

remember this isnt about you neko, its about the fans, you writing for the fans...dont be giving them false hope.
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ..steady.. on July 16, 2002, 07:16:50 PM
A simple question for you dessie...............

If  "A" crowd is not up for a Prodigy gig , then does that mean
they were shite ?

I just don`t get were your coming from mate at all !

If The Prodigy are around in 10 years time they would probley be playing the same stuff , just like any other band .
And that is in no way a bad thing.

But look were we are now , we are on the verge of a NEW prodigy album  ;D,we have just had the release of a New prodigy single. ;D
we have had a NEW prodigy book ;D
We are getting a NEW prodigy web site ;D
The Prodigy are back on the road , back at the festivals jaming out NEW stuff to the fans !!

Now i want to make this VERY VERY CLEAR evey 1 is entitled to their own opinon thats why we have these cool message boards .
But for fuck sake theirs consturctive critisim and then theirs just dam right piss takeing  >:(
Why moan about EVERY step the prodigy are takeing to make this new album work.

And as for the review @ witness i personaly would have takeing the best out of what i saw......new fill , new version of a track whatever ,and if people was shouting your shite at them then i wouldn`t promote it .
Because from the prodigy`s point of  view they are trying some new stuff out and want to see the crowds reaction .
If you were liam and you had that kind of reaction how would you feel .(after all its coming from the so called fans and not sources like NME)

I just think it is far to early to start riping them apart for fuck`s sake ,yeh a little moan here and there is what you more then entitled to.
But i think you have started something to soon  :(

ROLL ON THE NEXT ALBUM BEFORE WE CAN REALLY JUGE !!!!!!!


..........steady...........

Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 16, 2002, 07:33:48 PM
people cant keep saying the crowd werent up for it..thats just the easy way out

A crowd reacts to what the band are projecting for example liam came to the edge of the stage didnt seem arsed at all...maxim slowley sauntered on stage as if he was taking a midnight stroll in the park!  keith came out his usual pitbull self...people in the crowd know when somthing is stale and isnt right...I have a mate that hasnt seen the prodigy since 96....he felt cheated with that performance at witnness...so please dont gimmy the crowd wasnt up for it...their was a massive prodigy contingent their...the band let them down it _THAT_simple.

So the beachrock crowd where lame and also the witness crowd where lame, hmmmm I see a pattern emerging do you?

nah im not buying that for a second mate.

so on the flip side of all the New stuff from the prodigy...we get BGAT, Ill say no more about that

A new book, which is fairly good....until the last chapter when the brown nosing really kicks in.

hmm a new prodigy website.....lets hope its more of a success than the last website ;D


Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ..steady.. on July 16, 2002, 07:49:23 PM
MOVE ON

.......steady..........
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 17, 2002, 01:56:44 AM
...steady...have a read of this please

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.music.prodigy-the&selm=ah1i9u%24n9t%241%40dorito.esatclear.ie

what do you think?
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ..steady.. on July 17, 2002, 01:08:06 AM
For fuck sake why are you showing me this utter shite i do not give a fuck ok.

what do you want me to say i dont like the prodigy now their
now what only the rest of the fans to make anti-prodigy .
Then what .............

GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE AND STOP TRYING TO PROVE THAT THE PRODIGY ARE LOSEING THEIR WAY !!!!!!!!!

PRODIGY ARE NUM 1 AND ALWAYS WILL BE IN MY BOOK


.......steady.........
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 17, 2002, 01:19:40 AM
poor chap. ;D

im just telling my review was pretty accurate...im not trying to turn you against the prodigy...just trying to open your eyes...thats all.
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: trigger on July 17, 2002, 01:46:29 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ..steady.. on July 17, 2002, 02:23:48 AM
Exactly "open my eyes to what "
what you trying to prove even if we all agreed with you ?

And dont call me a "poor chap"  i slap people for less then that

......steady..........
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Acid_Twin on July 17, 2002, 03:22:53 AM

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poor chap. ;D

im just telling my review was pretty accurate...im not trying to turn you against the prodigy...just trying to open your eyes...thats all.


Accurate to your opinion.  Stop trying to convert everyone here, in your own words we all have our opinion, now lord knows you've force fed your opinion everywhere and way more than enough.

Also, i find it very amusing that the minute we flame or in anyway disagree with your opinion you feel the need to say something cocky back or try again to convert everyone again or simply cry 'i have a right to my opinion'.  Yet when we state our opinion you do the same thing.

Drop it already, you've had your say, stop crying, go find another band or please, please, please get over it already.

Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: dessie on July 17, 2002, 11:41:28 AM
IM NOT TRYING TO CONVERT ANYONE ::)

I just dont like to see fans been given wrong idea...thats all

a spade is a spade in my book.....the truth is out there ;)

Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ThePunks on July 17, 2002, 12:52:10 PM

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Accurate to your opinion.
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Acid_Twin on July 17, 2002, 12:57:07 PM
Typed that at 2am stoned and drunk to fuck so give me some credit! :P

-acid
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Arie on July 17, 2002, 12:57:12 PM
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IM NOT TRYING TO CONVERT ANYONE ::)

I just dont like to see fans been given wrong idea...thats all

a spade is a spade in my book.....the truth is out there ;)

You give your opinion a bit too much if you ask me. Opening new threads everywhere and the content is always the same really. To me that sounds like you're trying to convert people.

Neko gives her opinion too, but in my opinion less often than you about this subject. She doesn't keep opening threads and all. She gives her opinion and you give yours. Respect each others opinions; I know that Neko does.

Fans are not given any wrong ideas, fans are given personal opinions. It's up to the people who hear the opinions of others to make up their own opinion. Opinions are always personal, you seem to forget that.

You need to lay back a little mate. We all know your opinion and I personally respect it. Now you have to respect the opinion of others as well...!
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ThePunks on July 17, 2002, 02:44:44 PM

:-/

It seems to me that there are a lot of Prodigy fans in denial at the moment.

It's like alot of people talking about how AONO is going to be the bomb and how all the new fills are going to blossom into
great tracks , it's not happened before and it's not going to happen.

when liam has a killer track hes going to drop it
he's not saying "... I'll keep that one a secrect till the album drops..."  
The fact is in the past he always droped his best tracks live
except some collaborations with vocals

I think everyone should take stock of reality here
Liam said in the past that he wanted to write a full on
punk album , and i've a sneaking suspicion that this is the one


He's stopped using sample's the winning formula he's used for years, hence he has a lack of ideas and resorting to getting bogie riffs and lyrics from kieth.


I've been a fan for years now and at this stage I'm hoping that there will never be another Prodigy album




Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ThePunks on July 17, 2002, 02:45:45 PM

:-/

It seems to me that there are a lot of Prodigy fans in denial at the moment.

It's like alot of people talking about how AONO is going to be the bomb and how all the new fills are going to blossom into
great tracks , it's not happened before and it's not going to happen.

when liam has a killer track hes going to drop it
he's not saying "... I'll keep that one a secrect till the album drops..."  
The fact is in the past he always droped his best tracks live
except some collaborations with vocals

I think everyone should take stock of reality here
Liam said in the past that he wanted to write a full on
punk album , and i've a sneaking suspicion that this is the one


He's stopped using sample's the winning formula he's used for years, hence he has a lack of ideas and resorting to getting bogie riffs and lyrics from kieth.


I've been a fan for years now and at this stage I'm hoping that there will never be another Prodigy album




Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Arie on July 17, 2002, 03:12:11 PM
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 :-/

It seems to me that there are a lot of Prodigy fans in denial at the moment.

It's like alot of people talking about how AONO is going to be the bomb and how all the new fills are going to blossom into
great tracks , it's not happened before and it's not going to happen.

Who says it's going to be 'the bomb'? All I have heard is people saying that they hope that the new album will be good. No one knows, so all we can do is hope. You say that some fans are in denial, I say that like me they are just showing hope.

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when liam has a killer track hes going to drop it
he's not saying "... I'll keep that one a secrect till the album drops..."
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ThePunks on July 17, 2002, 04:15:57 PM

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Who says it's going to be 'the bomb'? All I have heard is people saying that they hope that the new album will be good. No one knows, so all we can do is hope. You say that some fans are in denial, I say that like me they are just showing hope.


Out of the five or so tracks that liams talked about on the album I've herd 3 of them and the little jams or fills or whatever you want to call them they have all been below standards, BGAT has fallen out of the charts like a Richard Branson Balloon, so that should give you an idication of what people think about the new matirial

 
Sure, but he has only finished a few new tracks thus far so he has nothing to drop yet. Be patient for now I would say. If in half a year from now there are still not really more new live tracks, then you can start to worry I think.

Exactly he has nothing to drop

Could be. And so what? If you don't like it, then don't buy it. They make music for themselves, not for us really if you think so. For the moment the fact is that we don't know a thing, so all we can do is wait and see what will happen.

Gimmie a break here Arie, I repect you as a person and a Prodigy fan but if you swallow that "....make music for themselves...." line for one second then your as gullible as the next fool

He's trying to change directions apperantly. No one knows really yet how that will work out. All we can do is wait, but some people have no patience.

Read some of Liams recent quotes from interviews
My favorite is ".. every band has a bad album..."

You have only heard one single and already you make such remarks. You can't judge an album which isn't even finished by hearing one single.

And what an atrocious mess of an attempt to make music it was and No I didn't buy it!. It's the only Prodigy record i don't own.

I wish you could have seen kieths Pop star style ranting during breathe at witnness the other night it was pittyfull
for a band that once ruled the stage.

Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ThePunks on July 17, 2002, 04:20:23 PM

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Who says it's going to be 'the bomb'? All I have heard is people saying that they hope that the new album will be good. No one knows, so all we can do is hope. You say that some fans are in denial, I say that like me they are just showing hope.


Out of the five or so tracks that liams talked about on the album I've herd 3 of them and the little jams or fills or whatever you want to call them they have all been below standards, BGAT has fallen out of the charts like a Richard Branson Balloon, so that should give you an idication of what people think about the new matirial

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Sure, but he has only finished a few new tracks thus far so he has nothing to drop yet. Be patient for now I would say. If in half a year from now there are still not really more new live tracks, then you can start to worry I think.


Exactly he has nothing to drop

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Could be. And so what? If you don't like it, then don't buy it. They make music for themselves, not for us really if you think so. For the moment the fact is that we don't know a thing, so all we can do is wait and see what will happen.


Gimmie a break here Arie, I repect you as a person and a Prodigy fan but if you swallow that "....make music for themselves...." line for one second then your as gullible as the next fool

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He's trying to change directions apperantly. No one knows really yet how that will work out. All we can do is wait, but some people have no patience.


Read some of Liams recent quotes from interviews
My favorite is ".. every band has a bad album..."
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You have only heard one single and already you make such remarks. You can't judge an album which isn't even finished by hearing one single.


And what an atrocious mess of an attempt to make music it was and No I didn't buy it!. It's the only Prodigy record i don't own.

I wish you could have seen kieths Pop star style ranting during breathe at witnness the other night it was pittyfull
for a band that once ruled the stage.

Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: Acid_Twin on July 17, 2002, 05:08:47 PM
BGAT is old, even liam admitted that.....

I'm sure Breathe or SMBU, or was it firestarter? were fills at one point a i remember reading?

Punk sounds like desse, prolly same person.

Ahh well, its really narrow minded and sad your judging so early, but again if you dont like it dont listen to em.

Personally any style liam uses will be good, thankfully i'm open minded to all music tho.

-acid
Title: Re: so sad.
Post by: ThePunks on July 17, 2002, 06:17:26 PM

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BGAT is old, even liam admitted that.....


Yes only after it got annihilated by some credible journilist's and yes some bad journilist's

I can't see why you think BGAT is Old but could consider Trigger and Nuclear a step forward.

If liam put the lyrics to fuel my fire on Nuclear i would say it's a good remix of a bad tune, because that's all it sounds like is a variation of fuel my fire


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I'm sure Breathe or SMBU, or was it firestarter? were fills at one point a i remember reading?


I don't think so i'd like to hear them! back then liam was sure of alot of his tracks but not all hence Serial Trilla! got tested
on the stage


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Punk sounds like desse, prolly same person.


No im not Desse but like the aforementioned I am from Dublin

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Ahh well, its really narrow minded and sad your judging so early, but again if you dont like it dont listen to em.


Narrow minded ? LOL
please read  your quote about me being des
::)

well I heard half of FOTL before it dropped and I had a clear indication of what the album would be like.

And I think the same can be said for AONNO
you'd think I enjoy hating the new material, the fact of the matter is i would like nothing more than to sit here typing about how great the new stuff is and how great the live shows were last week, but that's not the case.

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Personally any style liam uses will be good

-acid


Read the narrow minded quote again!

Later

ThePunk