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Title: babys got a temper
Post by: des on February 13, 2002, 05:46:48 PM
So what do you guys think of babys got a temper? I think its middle of the road stuff, I wasnt over impressed, B side fodder, but I think its better than trigger and nuclear. ???
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on February 13, 2002, 06:09:35 PM
hard to say at the moment, actually. the quality of the mp3 is so sux.... there is no much point to talk about it, just because we've not heard original studio record. i can't say i don't like it, because i don't hear the track normally, i can't say i like because the mp3's quality just a some kind of shit. the only thing i can say is - the track is pretty experimental. i, personaly, like to hear any experimental music, even when it's totally lame. i'm used to download 10 megs mp3 just to listen to it for once. i think we should just wait for single, then we can talk about the new album.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: PoisoN on February 15, 2002, 11:40:17 AM
The mp3 is really shitty but I like the idea. I think that the original studio version will kick ass!
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on February 15, 2002, 12:50:39 PM
I have heard awesome quality version of it, but I can still say that something is missing.. Anyway this is still better than nuclear IMHO and if someone else is singing in the studio version this will be ok track. Somehow it still sounds like Liam has just put different old sounds/samples together and tried to build a track..

P.S.
If you listen carefully you can spot the firestarter riff in the track ;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: des on February 15, 2002, 03:27:11 PM

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I have heard awesome quality version of it, but I can still say that something is missing.. Anyway this is still better than nuclear IMHO and if someone else is singing in the studio version this will be ok track. Somehow it still sounds like Liam has just put different old sounds/samples together and tried to build a track..

P.S.
If you listen carefully you can spot the firestarter riff in the track ;)


May I ask How you heard an awesome quality version of it?

and if you have it will you be uploading it like trigger and nuclear?
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: kenzie on February 16, 2002, 09:46:56 PM
i got this feeling it's on the album...it's gotta shit loada potential
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on February 16, 2002, 10:51:04 PM
Yep.. I think I'm gonna upload the better version when I got the cd.. anyway I think this is the track that Liam did with Perry Farrel and now Keith does the live vocals (I really hope I'm right;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: des on February 17, 2002, 01:25:09 AM

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Yep.. I think I'm gonna upload the better version when I got the cd.. anyway I think this is the track that Liam did with Perry Farrel and now Keith does the live vocals (I really hope I'm right;)


Christ I hope your right mate, keiths murdering it from what i can hear...

cant wait to hear the better quality version...

Which show did you get on cd?
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on February 17, 2002, 01:46:40 AM
well... actually... i don't care about, guys... Keith can ruin 1, 2 or maybe 3 tracks... but nobody gonna let him do this with the whole album! Liam is not deaf at all, trust me  ;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: St8ofbass on March 08, 2002, 01:30:24 AM
OK, so the version that was played live was more like the early demo version. You shou;dn't judge it yet - especially fropm a shitty MP3. Remember how most of the live tracks from FOTL sounded before Liam had tweaked them in the studio.
I can tell you that the BGAT is an absolute killer track, and will go on to be seen as one of their finest moments. When you listen, think Death in Vegas 'Contino Sessions' and Massive Attack 'Mezzanine.
Don't write it off yet.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on March 08, 2002, 01:50:34 AM

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OK, so the version that was played live was more like the early demo version. You shou;dn't judge it yet - especially fropm a shitty MP3. Remember how most of the live tracks from FOTL sounded before Liam had tweaked them in the studio.


can't remember actually, how was it sounds like, any shitty mp3's online? ;)

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I can tell you that the BGAT is an absolute killer track, and will go on to be seen as one of their finest moments. When you listen, think Death in Vegas 'Contino Sessions' and Massive Attack 'Mezzanine.
Don't write it off yet.


hmm... ok. but then give us another topic to discuss in here  :)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on March 08, 2002, 01:33:32 AM
Yep, the mp3 is very shitty indeed. but dunno maybe I should make better one and upload that. I just haven't bothered to do that. I'm waiting..."the single is scheduled for march". Anyway I might put some other tracks online instead. Those new gigs are great.. but the old vibe is gone :/ I hope they can catch it again.

P.S. Benny Blanco is just something like I would like to hear again.. so maybe maybe ;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: paulbi1 on March 08, 2002, 07:56:24 PM
hi guys,

I have a heard a good version of Baby's got a temper (compared to juge's - no disrespect mate!!!)on a website i found, as well as fairly good versions of trigger and nuclear:

www.brainkiller.it/


speak soon guys

pauly b ;D
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: St8ofbass on March 08, 2002, 11:16:59 PM
what website did yoiu find. can you share it with us?
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Firestarter on March 08, 2002, 11:54:18 PM

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hi guys,

I have a heard a good version of Baby's got a temper (compared to juge's - no disrespect mate!!!)on a website i found, as well as fairly good versions of trigger and nuclear:

www.brainkiller.it/


speak soon guys

pauly b ;D


WOW!!! No offence Juge but that site Looks THE SHIT!!! It's awesome!!! I didn't know till i visited it that They're playin in US!!! Sweet! I have to go to NYC!!! Dammit I cant mis ProdiGy!!! there are so many new PIX!!! AWESOME!!!

Dude thanks for the link !!!
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on March 09, 2002, 01:35:45 AM

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I didn't know till i visited it that They're playin in US!!! Sweet! I have to go to NYC!!! Dammit I cant mis ProdiGy!!!


there is some info the nyc's gig is canceled...  i can't say for sure is it official or hoax, but...
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on March 09, 2002, 01:52:01 PM
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WOW!!! No offence Juge but that site Looks THE SHIT!!! It's awesome!!! I didn't know till i visited it that They're playin in US!!! Sweet! I have to go to NYC!!! Dammit I cant mis ProdiGy!!! there are so many new PIX!!! AWESOME!!!

Dude thanks for the link !!!


Yeah.. it might be pretty well designed but check the content.. everything is ripped from several biggest prodge sites.. like mine and neko's. Ok, there might be something unique, but all major parts are ripped :/

btw. check sections like books/videography/bootlegs/pictures/trivia(i have removed it from the navigation but it's still online if you use search).. blaah.. looks pretty familiar.. dosen't it?
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Firestarter on March 09, 2002, 06:36:47 PM
Hey JuGe I have to agree that the design looks very well.....I'm listenin to Trigger as I type this. :D One and the 2 to the 3 get that trigger to me!....anyways. I didn't know he repped off several sites including yours, that's gayish. and I also hate the way he's downloads page is made. "right-click save target as..." Nothing works!!!  

It's ok JuGe I'll never abandon you. LD you'r site is the shit!!! if only you coulc update it more often and have your news right on the front page as you enter. that'd be SWEET! ;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: wolf eater on March 09, 2002, 09:34:59 PM
Yeah JuGe and every time we post something on your board you could pay us loads of money!
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Ekko on March 09, 2002, 09:55:48 PM
Plus, you could make an online lottery, the winner would receive a nice journey to the UK, including sightseeings at Liams house and free drinks with Keith at a club of choice.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Brainkiller on March 10, 2002, 01:39:05 AM
Taken from an e-mail from JuGe to Brainkiller, webmaster of www.brainkiller.it the one who 'ripped' material from Juge's Prodigy site:

From: .: Jussi Lahtinen :.
To: The Brainkiller

Hi! Sorry that I write back so late..
.....
and yeah.. you can use my photos if you please give some credit to me ;)
Thanks
juGe//

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:53 PM
Subject: My Bootlegs
From: The Brainkiller
To: .: Jussi Lahtinen :.

Hi Juges
......
it's ok with you if I use some of your pics? 10x
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on March 10, 2002, 01:05:57 AM

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Taken from an e-mail from JuGe to Brainkiller, webmaster of www.brainkiller.it the one who 'ripped' material...


actually, that you've got a permission from Jugez doesn't mean that you have not ripped the pics :D
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on March 10, 2002, 01:42:54 AM
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Hey JuGe I have to agree that the design looks very well.....I'm listenin to Trigger as I type this. :D One and the 2 to the 3 get that trigger to me!....anyways. I didn't know he repped off several sites including yours, that's gayish. and I also hate the way he's downloads page is made. "right-click save target as..." Nothing works!!!
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on March 10, 2002, 02:02:47 AM

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Yeah JuGe and every time we post something on your board you could pay us loads of money!


why's that? I'm the one who is keeping up the work with the site. and you guys are browsing it.. so you guys are the users.. I'm right? anyway.. I give loads of respect to the peeps who are regulars here and write quality stuff!
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on March 10, 2002, 02:03:32 AM

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Plus, you could make an online lottery, the winner would receive a nice journey to the UK, including sightseeings at Liams house and free drinks with Keith at a club of choice.



Yeah.. I have been planning something like that just keep on waiting.. ;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: juGe on March 10, 2002, 02:20:01 AM

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Taken from an e-mail from JuGe to Brainkiller, webmaster of www.brainkiller.it the one who 'ripped' material from Juge's Prodigy site:

From: .: Jussi Lahtinen :.
To: The Brainkiller
 
Hi! Sorry that I write back so late..
.....
and yeah.. you can use my photos if you please give some credit to me ;)
Thanks
juGe//

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:53 PM
Subject: My Bootlegs
From: The Brainkiller
To: .: Jussi Lahtinen :.

Hi Juges
......
it's ok with you if I use some of your pics? 10x


Yep.. maybe the "ripping" was a wrong word, but that's actually true like Zed said... I have also said many times before.. "unique" is the stuff we need.. and that was the main point in this! You have got the permission to use stuff.. but It would be great if tou would credit me like I have asked.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Brainkiller on March 10, 2002, 03:17:07 AM
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You have got the permission to use stuff.. but It would be great if tou would credit me like I have asked.


You were listed on my Credits page from the beginning:

www.brainkiller.it/prodigy/credits.html

Don't act like a child when people say that my site is good. I'm not selling anything. I'm not earning money for my site.. There's no competition between you and me. We were mates, remember?

Respect,
Brainkiller.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: wolf eater on March 10, 2002, 04:02:36 AM
whats happening here i go away for 5 seconds and this is what happens WWIII.
Anyway juge it was a joke about the money thing ya know!
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Ekko on March 10, 2002, 12:05:35 PM
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Don't act like a child when people say that my site is good. I'm not selling anything. I'm not earning money for my site.. There's no competition between you and me. We were mates, remember?


I don't want to heat something, I know how fast things get  misinterpreted here, but really, I wouldn't say juGe acted childish. I understand his reaction, he put a lot of effort into his pages and of he gives you the permission to use some of his stuff.
Not every webmaster would do that.
I don't know how much you used, but the point is,
be grateful and don't attack him when he just talks about being unique.

Again, don't get me wrong here, you've got a great site and without it I wouldn't have heard BGAT in good quality.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Brainkiller on March 10, 2002, 08:52:38 PM
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I wouldn't say juGe acted childish. I understand his reaction, he put a lot of effort into his pages and of he gives you the permission to use some of his stuff.
Not every webmaster would do that.
I don't know how much you used, but the point is,
be grateful and don't attack him when he just talks about being unique.
Again, don't get me wrong here, you've got a great site and without it I wouldn't have heard BGAT in good quality.


I'm not atacking juGe, man.. what the hell ! I just want to say that he gave me permission to use his material. If he would say:
"Oh yeah, that site is well designed, Brainkiller used some of my material (and some of it, me - juGe, I've used from others)"
I would be so pleased...

What do you mean 'not every webmaster would give permission'? Are you a webmaster? I guess not, 'cause you don't know how it works mate!

I understand too juGe's reaction, when a guy post in his forum words like:" www.brainkiller.it is the SHIT!" I know he felt sad about it, no doubt.

Anyway, this is the end of this post about my site and juGe's.
I'm glad you like BGAT, soon I'll put on my site 'Benny Blanco' played live @ Adelaide 2002.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Ekko on March 10, 2002, 10:04:03 PM

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What do you mean 'not every webmaster would give permission'? Are you a webmaster? I guess not, 'cause you don't know how it works mate!


Fact is, that I wanted to build up a site about synthies and my request for some pics was turned down two times.
That's how it worked for me, mate.

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I understand too juGe's reaction, when a guy post in his forum words like:" www.brainkiller.it is the SHIT!" I know he felt sad about it, no doubt.


Why should he feel sad? Like you said, there's no competition or something.
In fact, if I'd have a major site about an artist, I'd be glad if I'd have a new 'colleague', since it doesn't mean that your hits would go down (and even if, who cares?), but that you can exchange and share information.

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Anyway, this is the end of this post about my site and juGe's.
I'm glad you like BGAT, soon I'll put on my site 'Benny Blanco' played live @ Adelaide 2002.


I'm really looking forward to that,
cheers
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: St8ofbass on March 11, 2002, 01:48:23 PM
Its a nice site, but its clearly ripped stuff from juge. its really annoying when people do this, but thats sampling culture for you. i've sat back and watched my books and features being borrowed from, reproduced and ripped endlessly. sometimes (v. rarely) people acknowedge the source. what bothered me about that other site was the way he took all of your comments eg the review of my book- which suggests that he hasn't actually read any of them. No problem here, but to pass off the review as your own is basically dishonest.
funnily enough its a review which i think is kinda misleading, but thats your opinion juge, so its valid. its not valid for others to adopt it as their own without putting any thought in to it themselves
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Arie on March 11, 2002, 03:50:14 PM
http://www.brainkiller.it/prodigy/news/february20_2002.html

The text till the tracklisting is copied from me which I posted on this web site and several others, the tracklisting is taken from Neko's web site. The text underneath the tracklisting is from neither Neko nor me though.

In my humble opinion it is always nice and advisory to mention your sources in full. If you use material from others, then ask them, or at least credit them. If you 'steal' an idea, then you do not need to ask, but then credit for it still.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Guest on March 12, 2002, 01:55:48 AM
Looks to me here he does give credit where it is due.
http://www.brainkiller.it/prodigy/credits.html
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: neko on March 12, 2002, 02:33:11 AM
i got quite used to having stuff ripped off from my site, altho in most cases if people actually ask i do give them permission. I really appreciate it if people ask actually. Sometimes it can be quite funny, like when last year Mixmag wrote an article about The Prodigy summer shows and quoted my "and we shoot you in the face" from Trigger (those 'lyrics' were a coomplete mistake by me). funny, but yet annoying as they of course wouldn't bother to print the URL.

I agree with Juge though, there is a need for people to come up with original material on their Prodigy web sites, rather than just copying stuff from everywhere. I mean, I've never even bothered to add a discography on my site cause there are so many (and a lot of good ones) out there already.

and no, i dont think that there is a 'competition', lets face it, no one of us make money out of this, and if i have 100 visitors more or less per day in the end doesnt make my life better or worse.

neko
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Arie on March 12, 2002, 10:14:25 AM
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Looks to me here he does give credit where it is due.
http://www.brainkiller.it/prodigy/credits.html

The story about the tribute album is not credited anywhere for as far as I could see. I have seen quotes from me all over the Internet as well as at AMP-T, but very often there is no reference to me. Like Neko stated, I would prefer it if people would ask, or at least credit properly.

On a side note, I like the web site in question. On the other side again though there are some untrue things on there as well like the Minefields (Radio Edit) which it is not for instance, instead it is the Monkey Mafia Mix of Minefields as played by the Chemical Brothers on the radio once.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Firestarter on March 13, 2002, 02:10:43 AM

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Again, don't get me wrong here, you've got a great site and without it I wouldn't have heard BGAT in good quality.


Seconds to fuckin THAT!!!

SweeT! "Shoot you down, shoot you down, shoot you down (keith raises his voice here ---->) WITH MY HEAD IN THE SKY!!! TRIGGA!!!

Sweet fuckin quality! Brainkiller don't get upset your site is SWEET!!! so is Juges and other prodigy fan sites! I'm happy that fans didn't lose their belief in prodigy and kept holding websites!!! I LOVE ProdiGY!

hey Ekko or Arie a little advice for me please? Now I know your answer would be somthing like say "Fuck off"
but these punks who know nothin bout Prodigy start bitching like "dwoooo prodigY! sux!" Now I say things like Shut the fuck up you know nothing about prodigy all you've heard is Firestarter and make fun of em"

But please help me on this. What should I say to totally fuck them off like shut their mouths up so they got nothin to say?
It might help ;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: wolf eater on March 13, 2002, 07:05:01 AM
Just tell them to fuck off or we are gonna come kick there fucking butt.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Arie on March 13, 2002, 10:04:05 AM
The quality of Babys Got A Temper on his web site isn't much better than the Pioneer one in my humble opinion. It sounds like it got extraced to Wave, adjusted the equilizer a bit and compressed is back to MP3 format. The Pioneer version sounded the same if you ask me.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on March 13, 2002, 11:54:58 AM
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The quality of Babys Got A Temper on his web site isn't much better than the Pioneer one in my humble opinion. It sounds like it got extraced to Wave, adjusted the equilizer a bit and compressed is back to MP3 format. The Pioneer version sounded the same if you ask me.


erm... Arie... I WISH I HAD AN EQUALIZER LIKE THAT!
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Arie on March 13, 2002, 12:16:51 PM
What I meant is the following. If I listen to the Pioneer version, then it doesn't sound great. That's why I try to get the best possible sound from the file and then it sounds reasonable. If I listen to the one on Brainkiller.it, then it sounds like how I listen to the Pioneer version. That's why my conclusion was that they sound the same to me. If you do not do anything about the sound of the Pioneer version, then yes, the other one sounds a lot better, but with some adjusting and filtering you can get a pretty decent sound from the Pioneer version too if you ask me. Don't understand me wrong, I'm happy with this cleaned up version on Brainkiller.it and I am not trying to bring that web site down at all.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on March 13, 2002, 01:43:57 PM
dunno... if you ask me then i'll say that there is no any actual adjusting and filtering that will make Brainkiller's version from Pioneer's one. there is [in Brainkiller's version] some spectrum of high frequencies that can't be reconstructed from Pioneer's. if you try to equalize Pioneer's version that won't help to get what is absent at all. equalizing is a somekind of "smart amplifier", that's not a magic stick at all.
the only way where to get high frequencies back is resynthesis. that process means [here] "making up" high frequencies with using info about middle and low frequencies, that technology used in mp3pro coding. but there is no any other soft atm that use these algorithms. so, i can continue talk about it, but it's a deep technical stuff.. but it's a off topic in here.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Brainkiller on March 13, 2002, 02:13:36 PM
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dunno... if you ask me then i'll say that there is no any actual adjusting and filtering that will make Brainkiller's version from Pioneer's one.

No, there is not. My version have nothing to do with the 'pioneer' version.
Respect.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Zed on March 13, 2002, 02:27:30 PM

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My version have nothing to do with the 'pioneer' version.


i know, mate  ;)
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: what_evil_lurks on March 13, 2002, 06:48:19 PM
imo brainkiller has been very polite, hasn't he?

one of the things that I dislike the most of this forum is the extreme sense of competition among the posters, the unfriendly vibe... it doesn't happen always but many times...

respect, please.

by the way, I know that you're gonna piss me off but who cares?  ;)

baby's got a temper is pretty experimental, yeah, similar in a way to a b side like the trick... it would be nice like that.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Ekko on March 13, 2002, 08:37:01 PM
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dunno... if you ask me then i'll say that there is no any actual adjusting and filtering that will make Brainkiller's version from Pioneer's one. there is [in Brainkiller's version] some spectrum of high frequencies that can't be reconstructed from Pioneer's. if you try to equalize Pioneer's version that won't help to get what is absent at all. equalizing is a somekind of "smart amplifier", that's not a magic stick at all.
the only way where to get high frequencies back is resynthesis. that process means [here] "making up" high frequencies with using info about middle and low frequencies, that technology used in mp3pro coding. but there is no any other soft atm that use these algorithms. so, i can continue talk about it, but it's a deep technical stuff.. but it's a off topic in here.


That's right, I'd say it's impossible to make the pioneer-version go sound like the brainkiller-version.
The best proof would be the stereo-format the brainkiller-version is in, whereas the pioneer-version is mono.

[Sometimes crowd-speech is on only one channel, so it wasn't edited with a stereo-expander]

My guess is, that the brainkiller-version was the first, and then the pioneer-one was born from it. Don't ask me why.
But as Zed said, no live-recording sounds THIS ugly...
It's also good hearable that the recording was edited, since you have a static fuzz all over the track which could only come from a mircophone covered in some playce of the clothes or a mega-ripple. Both seems untrue here, since the guy/girl must have stood totally still if the mike was in the jacket or something, because you can't hear any crunchy-movement-sound. I suppose it was at least a similar recording as brainkillers.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: des on March 15, 2002, 03:35:08 PM

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The quality of Babys Got A Temper on his web site isn't much better than the Pioneer one in my humble opinion. It sounds like it got extraced to Wave, adjusted the equilizer a bit and compressed is back to MP3 format. The Pioneer version sounded the same if you ask me.


Aire you need to turn up your speakers or get some base reduction, hole shit theirs a massive difference.

Im glad ive heard the track now in better quality, just adds fuel to my fire, that its more of the same.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Ekko on March 15, 2002, 04:31:06 PM

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Aire you need to turn up your speakers or get some base reduction, hole shit theirs a massive difference.

Im glad ive heard the track now in better quality, just adds fuel to my fire, that its more of the same.


Well he wasn't really wrong, it was just the other
way round - I think. I still don't get why anyone should do this.
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: techno4yourhead on March 15, 2002, 10:25:15 PM
what youse lot talkiong about?
Title: Re: babys got a temper
Post by: Firestarter on March 16, 2002, 01:24:33 AM

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what youse lot talkiong about?


baby's got a temper newer version that Brainkiler has?

ONE! And Da TWO TO DA 3 Get that TRIGGER TO ME! ONE! And the two to the three....Terrorists which i hate and Dispise! LALALALALAL! AWESOME SHIT!!!!

SHOOT YOU DOWN! SHOOT YOU DOWN, SHOOT YOU DOWN! SHOOT YOU DOWN! WITH MU HEAD IN THE SKY! TRIGGER!

Sorry I got carried away! I LOVE THIS SONG No matter what OTHERS SAY ABOUT IT!!! :D