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Title: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Poisoner on May 09, 2002, 10:31:11 PM
I heard Baby's Got a Temper on finnish Radio station Radio
Mafia today! I must admit I was quite surprised. It had
the Firestarter sample on the beginning. I'm a bit disappointed
whit Liam's mixing. It does sound finished, but the samples
seem to be 'detached', it just sounds like samples are thrown
in here and there. It's hard to explain, hope you'll hear it
soon too.

Wicked tune, but i'm still a little disappointed. But glad that I finally heard something finished from Liam!
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: paulbi1 on May 10, 2002, 11:34:43 AM
poisoner man you have got to get a recording of it, it will surely be aired again soon, Radio 1 in the UK arent even playing it yet!!!(not that ive heard anyway) maybe its something to do with the lyrics, i dont know!?!

laters

pauly b

Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: miwant on May 10, 2002, 12:24:17 PM
i've checked the playlist of belgium's 'alternative' radio station and BGAT isn't on it :(
i'll send em a mail to check out whether they have any information about it

greetz
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 02:20:59 PM
http://www.yle.fi/radiomafia/radiomafia.ram

Ive been listening for 3 hrs solid, foook me they play a lot of 80's toons, but I still havnt heard BGAT

but I did get a chance to hear talking heads once in a lifetime, classic.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: MJ on May 10, 2002, 03:34:50 PM
Just heard it on radio Mafia.

Quit cool track. 14.34 C.E.T ;D
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: MJ on May 10, 2002, 03:44:13 PM
They have made some kind of wird sounds when Keith sings rohypnol. So it is not so easy to hear that he sings rohypnol.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 05:05:39 PM
hey after hearing it, its an insult a dry slap in the face....kids music

the weakest prodigy single to date.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: philchill_aiii on May 10, 2002, 05:11:58 PM
So did anyone get a recording of it?

If its as cack as you wrecken im going to cancel my reading ticket
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: antz on May 10, 2002, 05:18:48 PM
I just heard a clip of it and.... it sucks, a big disappointment - it has ruined my day.

There's a portion of it which sounds quite a bit like Maxims' Remix of What U Need by Leeroy.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: jamie riddler on May 10, 2002, 05:23:17 PM
i think this track is even better now that i know you lots all hate it. fukit!
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 05:36:37 PM

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i think this track is even better now that i know you lots all hate it. fukit!


listen mate, obviously your not a music lover....let me get this staright you like _EVEN BETTER NOW_ because we dont like it????your making no sence......

Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Ekko on May 10, 2002, 05:52:54 PM
Okay, now stop making me anxious!
Some said it sounded like wildly around-thrown samples, what samples were that? Didn't Liam say he didn't use his record collection to build songs?
Could anyone describe it a little further please?

Thx.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Acid_Twin on May 10, 2002, 06:19:25 PM
Just heard some of it, its fantastic, heavy beats, phat base.
Even Keith doesnt sound that bad, you guys really downered the song for me, thankfully i heard it before u completly fucked it up for me.

I love it, beats are sweet, some samples do sound a bit off but listening to it high, that only makes it better in a perverse way :P

I can honestly say i love it,

However, for a comeback single i think Trigger would have been better!!

-Acid
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Ekko on May 10, 2002, 06:33:37 PM
I heard Juges excerpt and I really wonder what you all are on about? Sure it's not the complete track, but it's good.
I also thought the live-version was cooler, but the studio version has a very good bass-grounding, and sounds very full and rich. It's not typical Prodigy-mixing though. Strange.
Liam said he needed about a month to get the mix right, he maybe got caught in an ongoing uninspiration. Might happen when you mix songs you wrote yourself.
And I couldn't find any wildly used samples, most stuff are just synthies (which sometimes sound a bit unfitting or overloaded, but don't forget that they are mostly used to censor the rohypnol, so in a uncensored version it will be more straight).

Keith is ok, not good, but ok. At least, his voice isn't
distorted or anything, just a simple delay from time to time.

I promise, this track will do wonders when played in a club, the bass is perfect.

And don't judge too much from a radio version, they are mostly altered and also sent through some machines that push the sound forward and 'steal' the dynamics a bit, so it often sounds quite static.

I like it.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: philchill_aiii on May 10, 2002, 06:45:21 PM
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Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 06:54:21 PM
ok my problem with the track is, the beat howlett is using at the minute has been popping up for the past five years...theirs bearly anything between trigger and BGAT, they both use those polished beats...bring back the dirty ones that what I like

whilst I found the version they played at BDO a bit dull but with a lot of potential, I think howlett was afraid to release a downtempo track as the first single of AONO.....

I feel personally I owe howlett a great deal, after all the prodigy has shaped my whole record collection....but while howlett has pushed me towrds the more experimental side of dance music ie, aphex twin, squarepusher, dj shadow chemical brother...its seems like howlett is swaying of in a more pop/rock direction....the prodges sound isnt as challenging anymore to listen to....and that what always seperated them from the rest...

but that SEEMS to be gone now...not saying that it IS...but it looks that way judging from the new live stuff and BGAT





Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: deedevil on May 10, 2002, 07:15:03 PM
 :o quite polished has u said des!i was waiting for something diferent but whatever!

cya
peace
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 07:22:14 PM
if you take for example other prodigy COMEBACK singles

for jilted One Love/No Good start to dance both really different exciting tracks...

For FOTL firstarter...awesome blew me away the first time I heard it..

Now BGAT....just doesnt offer anything new..keith voice is tiresome and the beats could be mistaken for trigger/one man army/ghost town etc....

Myabe ill like the instrumental more...but i really doubt that
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 07:29:05 PM

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I also thought the live-version was cooler


Me too..the BDO version had potential....it was slow and a bit dull..but as I said to neko, surely with howletts talents  he could have made something of that down temper version.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: philchill_aiii on May 10, 2002, 07:44:44 PM
If you wanna talk about shit beats we might as well mention Liams conribution to Maxim's Scheming, now they were shit. I have been using some very expensive equipment to EQ the radio version of BGAT to make it sound more like CD quality and i just wanna say that IT ROCKS!!! with the bass up and the hissing off this song is fucking wicked.

Don't judge till you hear a CD version, Trust me!
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: paulbi1 on May 10, 2002, 07:56:34 PM
oh dear,

well at least the bass is better and sharper and keith sounds alot better but its not groundbreaking at all, i agree its not 'One Love' or 'Firestarter' in any sort of innovative way whatsoever ,but since all the dissing of the song started its actually overall better than i expected.

No consolation though :'(

pauly b

P.S bet the video's shit-hot though!!!!
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Ekko on May 10, 2002, 07:57:08 PM
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I have been using some very expensive equipment to EQ the radio version of BGAT to make it sound more like CD quality and i just wanna say that IT ROCKS!!! with the bass up and the hissing off this song is fucking wicked.

Don't judge till you hear a CD version, Trust me!


What did I say?
People, believe us, this track has some hidden qualitys, the actual radio-thingie is like a teaser, if you want.

The kickdrum/bass is in fact really close to Diesel Power.
Check it out, kill the high frequencies (every simple stereo should be good enough) and boost the bottom end and maybe a bit more gain for the mid's. You'll get the sound of SMBU and the rhythm of DP. Interesting. And - yeah - old.

And to some upper threads, yes, I would have liked some other beats as well, unfortunately it's the typical FOTL-bassdrum and all in all it's very familiar.
But the important bit is: We have new material.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 08:12:15 PM

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If you wanna talk about shit beats we might as well mention Liams conribution to Maxim's Scheming, now they were shit. I have been using some very expensive equipment to EQ the radio version of BGAT to make it sound more like CD quality and i just wanna say that IT ROCKS!!! with the bass up and the hissing off this song is fucking wicked.

Don't judge till you hear a CD version, Trust me!


LOL yeah I couldnt believe liam put his hand to that shit..scheming was pretty poor

even though Im not feeling BGAT, im still looking forward to the instrumental

Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 08:20:49 PM

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The kickdrum/bass is in fact really close to Diesel Power.
Check it out, kill the high frequencies (every simple stereo should be good enough) and boost the bottom end and maybe a bit more gain for the mid's. You'll get the sound of SMBU and the rhythm of DP. Interesting. And - yeah - old.

And to some upper threads, yes, I would have liked some other beats as well, unfortunately it's the typical FOTL-bassdrum and all in all it's very familiar.
But the important bit is: We have new material.


yeh I noticed it had the same groove as DP.....but it still doesnt bowl me over like DP did... the beats are less chunky in BGAT than in dp, but the groove of DP is there to hear, I noticed it the second I heard it..

and your right its great that we have new material...but the question is after 5 years do we want quantity or quality

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Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: deedevil on May 10, 2002, 09:24:22 PM
Juge do you have the complet song or only the 50 seconds clip?i was thinking that if you have the full song was kinda nice putting the 50 clip since if you putted the full track people would start ripping it and then XL would start pissing you!

thanks for the clip!

cya
peace
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 10, 2002, 09:44:33 PM
hehe well when I think of quality I think of the jilted era or climbatize, Naryan, funky shit, DP

I think the new stuff is a bit of a cop out to be honest.

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(By saying quality, I think of NEW stuff, so...)
it seems we don't get any of both

Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: jamie riddler on May 11, 2002, 01:22:53 AM
you lots just don't know that a beat cannot be any harder or bigger than fotl ones. you are all talking nonsense. it is not like you can make a _totaly_ new beat. get real, don't expect too much. liam reused the samples many times, it is just now that you lots are complaining. des, why don't you do something _new_ huh?
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Ekko on May 11, 2002, 02:05:22 AM

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you lots just don't know that a beat cannot be any harder or bigger than fotl ones. you are all talking nonsense. it is not like you can make a _totaly_ new beat. get real, don't expect too much. liam reused the samples many times, it is just now that you lots are complaining. des, why don't you do something _new_ huh?
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 11, 2002, 06:35:20 AM
This is a gem mate,

Im a graphic designer, once I come up with a signature style of graphic I scrap it....because I dont want to get caught in a loop, I try to progress and make *new* improved graphics each day

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you lots just don't know that a beat cannot be any harder or bigger than fotl ones. you are all talking nonsense. it is not like you can make a _totaly_ new beat. get real, don't expect too much. liam reused the samples many times, it is just now that you lots are complaining. des, why don't you do something _new_ huh?
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: St8ofbass on May 11, 2002, 02:53:45 PM
you all know i think its a frantastic track... to say that liam hasn't progressed is, i think, wrong. yes he still uses  paht breaks - which have long been a trademark style, and yes the vocals are by flinty again, but the ambience, the structure, the way the bass works with the beats, the fazing, the sounds - everything else is different. i like the way so many ideas are thrown in that few noises are repeated. the hint at firestarter is a joke, i think there may be a guitar lift from no man army, and its a good signifier, but from the intro keyboard refraion to the closing 'wicky wicky' scratching, this is fresh - and easily the 'biggest' sounding track to date...
love it - shame the MP3 is sooo compressed and tinny.
laters
m
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: jamie riddler on May 11, 2002, 04:46:04 PM
exactly  8)
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Zed on May 11, 2002, 05:24:48 PM
48 secs of 32 kbps real audio...  i won't comment any music recorded in that way. at least that would be disrespect towards the author.

Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Ekko on May 11, 2002, 07:49:59 PM
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48 secs of 32 kbps real audio...
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: kenzie on May 11, 2002, 08:05:23 PM
i thinks Liam used Diesel Power beat to steer it away from sounding too rocky. Check BDO version of BGAT- it's sorta like the snares are recorded live - like those 80's rock shit.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: kenzie on May 11, 2002, 08:11:37 PM

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as soon as that get rid of the stupid edit
it will sound wicked


mmm...why do they have to censor rohepnol ... it's not like the word itself is a bad word is it? Probably the overall message that could be bad...

But i remember ST8ofBASS saying people will misundastand Keith..what do you think the lyrics mean...

please...somebody post the lyrics up i'm too lazy to write them down myself...

oh and ST8ofBASS...how close is Sakus version to the real thing\?????
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Sport on May 11, 2002, 10:41:44 PM
I think the main problem is that the song is too much
based on the vocals and or on the lyrics.
(The track is built around the text)
In the earlier songs the lyrics were just a supplement to
the beats and not the main theme.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Zed on May 12, 2002, 01:39:10 AM
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Well, then you better check out SakuS 192kbps unstreamed version instead :-)


Ekko, don't be so naive, i bet i got the track before you did ;)

you wanted to know my opinion... okaaaay..... *burb*

let's do some anlysis of the track. (like you did, Ekko, btw how is your headache? ;) )

okay, there is what i can say about that:

1. the man who did the track is a professional.
2. the man who did the track seems Liam Howlett, because there are everywhere his signatures, i.e. halftone sliding
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: miwant on May 12, 2002, 01:52:06 PM
i have been listening to the lyrics and i kinda like them a lot  :D

the only comment i got this far on this song is the firestarter sample in the beginning...like liam wants to say: hey it's still us, the prodigy!  ???
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: DJSlow on May 13, 2002, 01:47:05 AM
Just listened to clip. Infact I've listened to it about 20 times already, not because I like it but because I'm not sure what to make of it. Is it recorded from the radio? Radio stations compress the dynamics of a song, so the loud bits are quieter and the quiet bits are louder. This kind of destroys the bass and the kick drum on this recording. Does this song have chorus? The clip sounds like a verse and a bridge. Surely it would have been better to cut out the chorus for the clip?

Keith's vocals are brilliant. His best performance yet, though it seems weird hearing a Prodigy song where the focus is on the vocals and not the instruments. This is massive change. I can't really judge this song from the clip. OH SHIT, MY WINMX SEARCH HAS JUST COME OUT WITH A FULL MP3! It's really out there folks. 23 people in the que for it though :-(

Anyway, I think Liam has become a little slack in the production department. There aren't really any interesting sounds in there. He's relied too much on Keiths vox to drive the track. Firestarter worked because the fuckin massive beats and bass drove Keith along, not the otherway round. BGAT sounds like it's trying too hard. It also sounds over-produced, where shitloads of sounds and effects have been used to hide the fact that it's not a very intersting song. BT is another good example of over-producing. I can normally try hard to like something but I'm having trouble with this. It sounds like a poor immitation of the Fat of the Land with more vocals.

Another thing. I don't really like the idea of having so much vocals on a Prodigy album. Why? A Prodigy fan could be anyone no matter what they believed in. It was refreshing to have a band who didn't force opinions down your throat like all these fucking nu-metal and punk bands. What you end up with is a fanbase who all fucking think the same and act the same, which is boring. I wanna go to gigs and meet interesting people.

Anyways, I'm still gonna buy the album. Maybe it will grow on me. It's happened many times before.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: ChemicaL on May 13, 2002, 02:44:23 AM

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mmm...why do they have to censor rohepnol ... it's not like the word itself is a bad word is it? Probably the overall message that could be bad...



Rohypnol is a drug that is illegal in the U.S.A altough it has been used for medical purposes hence the censorship.

P.S. the track is wicked.

bye.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: des on May 13, 2002, 12:49:25 PM

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It was refreshing to have a band who didn't force opinions down your throat like all these fucking nu-metal and punk bands. What you end up with is a fanbase who all fucking think the same and act the same, which is boring. I wanna go to gigs and meet interesting people.
happened many times before.


Listen mate, any prodigy gig you go to, youll always meet true fans....fans that have a voice and arent just another painted face in the crowd.

So dont worry.....I hope liam kicks into gear soon and gives us something a bit more dancey..

peace.
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Ekko on May 13, 2002, 08:55:18 PM
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Radio stations compress the dynamics of a song, so the loud bits are quieter and the quiet bits are louder. This kind of destroys the bass and the kick drum on this recording.

It used to destroy songs that weren't compressed to 0db already, but since the FOTL-era every Prodigy-song is totally maxed out already. They don't use limiter on Prodge-records anymore... Same for Chemical Brothers and most of the Pop tracks. All kinds of dance music.
You just doesn't get much frequency-width over fm-radiochannels. It might have lots of generic reasons why the clip sounds not too dynamic.

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Firestarter worked because the fuckin massive beats and bass drove Keith along, not the otherway round

Massive Beats...? Well, the beats are the same as on all other past-Jilted Generation-tracks, you especially mean the bass- and the kickdrums, do you? You can get this silly rattling drumloop on lots of sample-cd's or on the net
Title: Re: BGAT single on Radio Mafia
Post by: Mane on November 27, 2002, 03:27:21 PM
i have been a prodigy fan for a long time...only for the music...but its getting out of hand. I really dont wanna listen about date raping drugs...or people who use them. If you cant have fun without then its fine by me. I dont know what the message is in this song...well i know that it tells about keiths girlfriends but that is...well tell me what the fuck is that about...